“non-essential” premium content, does SE want this kind of reputation if it continue?

[Kewitt]

I got lagacy, my sub is cheaper.
I pay for 1 extra retainer.

I don't have invatory issue because I sell stuff my 3 retainers, I log and make sure 20 items on retainer. before logging off I make sure they are full again. I undercut my 5%

I do agree with some of the OP issues.
But Not have extra retainers isn't effecting my enjoyment.

However there are things I would gladly pay extra for like a HD texture pack.

SE is a publicly traded company which means it's in it to make money, and answers to it share holders. This means when I logged in to day and did Eureka, and saw 5 people with the $24 mount that came out today. I was like they got to much money but if that's what they want to spend it on that's there choice.

I use patreon to support some project and content creators which is no difference really. I pay a little extra and get perks.

[Vstarstruck]

Hmmm I don't understand this whole white Knight theory.

So people who give a perspective how things are unfair are correct for some weird reason that is more emotional than factual, label things as a scam, rip off, ect yet can't prove how ( from a logical point ) are labeled as being correct.

While a person who is knowledgeable, can back up points trough actual facts, links, and sees it as a normal business practice is labeled as a white Knight for the company while still being able to disagree in some of the companies actions?

In return creating a whole new thread is the correct thing to do? Correct me if I'm wrong, it seems more like emotional people are cornered and are really just really running away from reality. Or is this a strategical retreat and creating a new thread is just a way to make themselves think they are right and everything that does not meet their perspective is wrong?

I do not understand how a white knight does not see they are a white knight.
Here people give a perspective how things are unfair, and how this is done in the past, repeated consistently by companies, starting small, and keep pushing how far they can go, instead of self regulating. Explaining in detail why it appears to be on a same path as others such as:

Do you both already played Fair games that become Pay to win over the time? They started with simple moves like these ones from SE. Anything more than cosmetic/glamour is somewhat pay to win. Retainers can control economy, so you pay to win at economy. You can have a lot of retainers, so a lot of ventures, a lot of gill and mats, so pay to win more. As you can see, only with these examples, it's not only cosmetic, while there's much more examples.

only to meet a person stating things on emotion alone, pretends things are "facts" without any argument to back up what they are saying, only to wind up confused why they are being called a white knight, despite others explaining why it is said in the first place:

I see White Knighting as defending something without a critical eye. Basically always saying whatever the dev team releases is good. So basically saying something without thinking things through properly on why perhaps the person could be saying that which opposes what you think. Also if they can't give reasons as for why they defend the content when asked.

Then in turn making threads that satire and mock those that are giving SE well deserved criticism.

I got no idea why I am even bothering explaining this to someone that does not understand they are already paying for a game only to have features gut out or missing, then happy to pay for extra. Ya real logical *rolls eyes* I guess another definition would be, white knights magically forget there is a sub cost to this game, high mog station costs, extra sub costs (retainers) only to have another sub cost to gate a sub cost, along with buying expansions.

[MageBlack]

I got no idea why I am even bothering explaining this to someone that does not understand they are already paying for a game only to have features gut out or missing, then happy to pay for extra. Ya real logical *rolls eyes* I guess another definition would be, white knights magically forget there is a sub cost to this game, high mog station costs, extra sub costs (retainers) only to have another sub cost to gate a sub cost, along with buying expansions.

Then Free to play will be the solution for you.

[ManuelBravo]

I do not understand how a white knight does not see they are a white knight.
Here people give a perspective how things are unfair, and how this is done in the past, repeated consistently by companies, starting small, and keep pushing how far they can go, instead of self regulating. Explaining in detail why it appears to be on a same path as others such as:

only to meet a person stating things on emotion alone, pretends things are "facts" without any argument to back up what they are saying, only to wind up confused why they are being called a white knight, despite others explaining why it is said in the first place:

Then in turn making threads that satire and mock those that are giving SE well deserved criticism.

I got no idea why I am even bothering explaining this to someone that does not understand they are already paying for a game only to have features gut out or missing, then happy to pay for extra. Ya real logical *rolls eyes* I guess another definition would be, white knights magically forget there is a sub cost to this game, high mog station costs, extra sub costs (retainers) only to have another sub cost to gate a sub cost, along with buying expansions.

I quoted this to someone else, seems to fit you perfectly as well. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-made-me-unsub.

Do you even know what optional means? Optional means = available to be chosen but not obligatory.

Personally I don't agree with many things that SE offers players. Unlike most comments here I will give reasons on why.

Emotes; if doing emotes that are NOT quality / item based (kai arts, music, ect ) should be available for everyone in one way or another. Some of the emotes were event based and no longer available which makes sense they would be sold. It's not SE fault that people missed it.

Mounts; Personally I'm disgusted by this being sold. If anything they could of made it into some hardcore quest to collect parts also. Example the optional Magictek mounts.

Jump Potions Their excuse was to help people catch up to play with their friends...only draw back made players miss out on pretty much how the job works. Witch leave it to veterans having to carry these people until they learn it....just plain stupid in my opinion and a waste of money. If it's already in the game, as part of the main design it should not be sold. This was brought about emotional people that wanted a trophy for just trying.

Dye's; Metallic can be gather by retainer exploration does not really need to be sold.

These are just a few examples of stupid thing that are on sale.

In the end no matter how many threads pop up, how many times people argue players white knight the company, the result is the same. It is not obligatory. Big companies will take advantage of people who want games to be easier for them it's a known fact that most human-beings envy those with the haves, and don't want to be part of the have not's. As for those who claim it's not about the money or envy...lets get real it is otherwise there would not be soo many threads and would just say "oh look new stuff...nah I'll pass" and let it be. No instead people are hypocrites in one way or another rage quit...blah blah blah... I will not support this company ..blah blah blah..

If anything people who claim to be logical just ignore the main points to begin with and fail to use the one bit of common sense when they refer to this game. It's called a business not a non profit. By the way rolling eyes to someone just shows a low level of maturity specially once their point of view has been disputed and can't make an actual logical response.

I have not forgotten about my subscription, if fact is part of my monthly expenses for my household budget. Unlike many people some of us do take money seriously, and are competent enough to balance their expenses.

Note their are several other things I can say are wrong with SE, don't agree with, yet I'm not adding redundant topics which have been covered already that SE has already tweaked or tried to fix. They did what they could and it's not important enough to keep posting small things. I can at least accept that it is a business, I pay a subscription, and it's up to me to give them money. Just because I have money does not mean I need to spend it.

[Remyogic]

only to meet a person stating things on emotion alone, pretends things are "facts" without any argument to back up what they are saying, only to wind up confused

This made me ROFLMAO so hard, it just needed to be re-posted.

[ManuelBravo]

only to meet a person stating things on emotion alone, pretends things are "facts" without any argument to back up what they are saying, only to wind up confused why they are being called a white knight, despite others explaining why it is said in the first place:

How do you explain your over dramatic responses and lack of facts that try to contradict the principles of a business? We all agree that this is a business and the facts of what a business is, yet have called their practices a scam = a dishonest scheme; a fraud, yet fail to prove it in any logical way, instead you change the subject or focus on something else.

In psychology, emotion is often defined as a complex state of feeling that results in physical and psychological changes that influence thought and behavior. ... Just wondering don't all these responses seem like they are all penny pinching? We established services and items sold are not obligatory. Perhaps people have economical issues, therefor an emotion is triggered unconsciously.?

Not to be rude, that sentence gives you meaning based on your sarcastic remarks and expressions. A good example *rolling your eyes*. If you want facts look up the definition of business and what the purpose is.

[Vstarstruck]

https://gyazo.com/c371db26cfe72e660605ff005a8ccec6
soooo I think my thread is very fitting now, with what they are trying to do.

[MageBlack]

https://gyazo.com/c371db26cfe72e660605ff005a8ccec6
soooo I think my thread is very fitting now, with what they are trying to do.

PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEE!!!!!

[InkstainedGwyn]

PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEE!!!!!

To be fair, most people should just have them ignored by now.

[Niraye]

if you want shaved ice. we bought stacks upon stacks of it. do the event if you want event items, im glad you have to pay for it. it makes those of us who did the work glad you have to pay for it. no freebies. this game i will support with my money. i dont want another tera. i dont want guild wars 2. i most definitely do not want star wars online. (i play the first two and refuse to pay for elite schumuk and gw2 is dying out due to content stalls for really long periods of time)