Normal (newbie) version of the new Ultima fight for casuals? xD

[Lambdafish]

At some point in the future, no doubt when the next expansion comes, both Ultimate Bahamut and Refrain will probably have an option to unsync and considering some lvl 70 players still have issues with Sephirot and Nidhogg mechs, the ultimates shouldn't lose too much difficulty at all.

I really hope not. It would completely destroy the point of those fights. Its not like these fights have any story, or even new assets that can't be accessed in any other part of the game.

[MageBlack]

I really hope not. It would completely destroy the point of those fights. Its not like these fights have any story, or even new assets that can't be accessed in any other part of the game.

Natural iLev increases will also destroy the point of the fights. I've been running the BCoB that used to be one of the endgame hardcore raids. Two expansions later, even synced down, its a cakewalk.

[Alaray]

Natural iLev increases will also destroy the point of the fights. I've been running the BCoB that used to be one of the endgame hardcore raids. Two expansions later, even synced down, its a cakewalk.

BCoB was the Alexander/Delta/Sigmascape to ARR.

Unending is there to be a pure challenge and finish for bragging rights, not progression in terms of gear. (Which are inherently easier to finish than the Ultimate fights, which exist... literally only to be a tough challenge of a fight).

If they made it unsyncable, the entire point of the content's existence is lost.

[MageBlack]

BCoB was the Alexander/Delta/Sigmascape to ARR.

Unending is there to be a pure challenge and finish for bragging rights, not progression in terms of gear. (Which are inherently easier to finish than the Ultimate fights, which exist... literally only to be a tough challenge of a fight).

If they made it unsyncable, the entire point of the content's existence is lost.

I highlighted the part you missed.

Natural iLev increases will also destroy the point of the fights. I've been running the BCoB that used to be one of the endgame hardcore raids. Two expansions later, even synced down, its a cakewalk.

[Remyogic]

I highlighted the part you missed.

There is a difference between Lvl sync and iLvl sync.

You can Lvl sync down to lvl 50 in lvl 70 gear and your stats will sync down to lvl50 max gear stats (ilvl 135). If you are going into First Coil, that raid was tuned around ilvl80 - 90 gear. Even lvl Sync'd, you are WAY overgeared.

This is besides the fact that all the Coil raids were nerfed to hell because VERY few people could prog them. Twintania caused more Raid teams to shatter than a bull in a china shop.

Ultimate fights will sync your Level AND your iLevel, basically ensuring you can NEVER out-gear the fight.

[MageBlack]

There is a difference between Lvl sync and iLvl sync.

You can Lvl sync down to lvl 50 in lvl 70 gear and your stats will sync down to lvl50 max gear stats (ilvl 135). If you are going into First Coil, that raid was tuned around ilvl80 - 90 gear. Even lvl Sync'd, you are WAY overgeared.

This is besides the fact that all the Coil raids were nerfed to hell because VERY few people could prog them. Twintania caused more Raid teams to shatter than a bull in a china shop.

Ultimate fights will sync your Level AND your iLevel, basically ensuring you can NEVER out-gear the fight.

Ok, i see now. Thanks for the clarification, I didnt know the iLev was a hard sync for the Ultimate fights.

I really hope they keep it that way and dont decide to dumb it down, I know I'm already ticked that a lot of the "unique" gear I thought I had is now totally common or a cash shop item.

[SendohJin]

I know I'm already ticked that a lot of the "unique" gear I thought I had is now totally common or a cash shop item.

what gear is that? i hate the cash shop but i don't see what gear from fights they put in there.

[Remyogic]

They stated that Ultimate fights won't become Unsync-able. If they change their mind...who knows?

Natural iLev increases will also destroy the point of the fights. I've been running the BCoB that used to be one of the endgame hardcore raids. Two expansions later, even synced down, its a cakewalk.

Ultimate fights sync iLvl as well. UCoB is iLvl sync'd to 345.

Basically, these fights are meant to persist indefinitely as the most difficult to complete content in the game.

They are not meant for everyone.

[Remedi]

I really hope not. It would completely destroy the point of those fights. Its not like these fights have any story, or even new assets that can't be accessed in any other part of the game.

Agreed these fights should remain synched forever, they are the bragging rights and should be treated as the ultimate test of the game as such their relevancy and difficulty should remain always the same

[iAMspecial]

it really cant be