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    Have Midgardsormr's 6th and 7th child ever been named? *minor spoilers*

    The lore, as I recall it, tells us that Midgardsormr came from another star, and once it arrived, it produced its first brood. In ARR we hear the first mentions of Nidhogg, and in early Heavensward we learn of Hraesvelgr and Ratatoskr (sp?). As we reach Azys Lla, we meet Tiamat and learn that she and the real Bahamut, not the primal, were also among the first brood, and it is mentioned that the first brood totaled 7 dragons. I don't recall these last 2 dragons being named. If Shinryu is as Bahamut, then that would make 6, but I don't recall ever getting that information, so that's merely speculation on my part.

    The wiki entries I've read on the subject also only mention the 5 I know to be confirmed
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    The last two dragons are named in the Lorebook but I don't have it on me right now to look them up. If no one else posts it I will post the names in a couple of hours.
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    The 5 we've seen/hear of so far are Bahamut, Nidhogg, Hreasvelgr, Tiamat and Ratatoskr. Still missing are Azdaja and Vrtra.
    Shinryu isn't on the list.
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    I'm wondering if Seiryu/Kohryu might have some connection to the first brood and they aren't simply lesser animals that became dragons when they became auspices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    I'm wondering if Seiryu/Kohryu might have some connection to the first brood and they aren't simply lesser animals that became dragons when they became auspices.


    Seiryu and Koryu are auspices, likely Dragons/Wyverns. What's confusing is that an animal that lives for 1000 years becomes an Auspice, but dragons do not have lifespans unless killed, which is why they live for thousands of years. So why aren't all dragons auspices? Also what's odd is that normal animals do not have consciousness. If they live for 100 years, they get "ideas" and after 1000 years they become an Auspice. 1000 years for a dragon is a very short time to them, as even fledgling baby dragons are hundreds of years old and they are already incredibly intelligent and can speak.
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    Probably because Dragons are basically an inteligent race already, meanwhile Auspices arent even if eventually they get eventually self awareness.

    A human can get self awareness much sooner than a turtle for example despite some turtles being able to live far longer than a human, and imo thats what they try to portrait with the Auspices and evolving, since they need a while to reach the ground on which inteligent races start by default
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    i wish they did somthing with tiamat instead of letting her Rott in Azys la
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    Dragons are also aliens to Hydaelyn. Their relationship with aether is very odd compared to everyone else's. The "normal" rules of aether probably don't apply to them the same way the apply to everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    Seiryu and Koryu are auspices, likely Dragons/Wyverns. What's confusing is that an animal that lives for 1000 years becomes an Auspice, but dragons do not have lifespans unless killed, which is why they live for thousands of years. So why aren't all dragons auspices? Also what's odd is that normal animals do not have consciousness. If they live for 100 years, they get "ideas" and after 1000 years they become an Auspice. 1000 years for a dragon is a very short time to them, as even fledgling baby dragons are hundreds of years old and they are already incredibly intelligent and can speak.
    I do wonder if the First Brood are auspices, given the similarities between Nidhogg's rage and the aramitama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duskane View Post
    i wish they did somthing with tiamat instead of letting her Rott in Azys la
    The thing is, she wants to be left to rot in Azys Lla.

    Of course, there's always a possibility that some future development will change her mind about that, but not necessarily.
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