Ridoraba 3rd Boss got nerfed ?

[Ilenya]

We should. That might motivate people to learn what a prime number is.

Jokes aside, what exactly is there to do that would qualify as "other things" and would therefore prevent people from answering exceedingly simplistic grade school math questions within the allotted time (learning disabilities notwithstanding--90% of the raid don't all have dyscalculia)? The boss literally stands there doing nothing for the entirety of the phase so the only thing you have to worry about is what he's asking you do to.

I dunno, I'm a healer, when I need down time I can have it easily. I don't need to keep track of buff timers like DPS do and I don't know if the window is enough of an issue to cause issues.

[Airget]

We should. That might motivate people to learn what a prime number is.

The issue is how it's taught, most math is just taught as "learn this because you have to" they rarely teach you the real world implication of mathematical ideas. If one were to understand why certain concepts are important people may retain the information better but when your school system teaches you that the multiplications are 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20, 3 6 9 12 15 18 21 24 27 30, 4 8 12 16 20 24 28 32 36 40, 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40 45 50, 8 16 24 32 40 48 56 64 72 80, etc etc, it just leaves most peoples minds because they don't understand why it's important to learn.

Utility of learned information should be part of an education system curriculum but many just regurgitate information to you without explaining why it's important.

[KaivaC]

I am not going to lie... First time I ran it, I forgot my prime numbers too because it has been decades since I dealt with anything specifically with prime numbers. I just happened to get lucky with them, but prime numbers aren't really what I would call general things one would use in everyday life. Certain fields of work, yes, they would use them a lot.

[Catwho]

I have dyscalculia. It's not the inability to do math, really, it's a disconnect between math logic and the visual cortex. If I see a more than four numbers on the page at a time, I'm screwed. This is why all the spreadsheet attempts people have made, while well meaning, are completely useless.

I've been able to do this boss by saying the question out loud instead, bypassing the visual cortex which is still counting in potatoes and leveraging the audio parts of my brain instead.

I AM TWO
HE IS ASKING FOR A PRIME NUMBER
FIVE IS A PRIME
FIVE MINUS TWO IS THREE

^ Doing this visually is not instant for me. Doing this via an auditory hack is amazingly much faster because as soon as I say "five is a prime" the math circuits activate properly.

Looking back, I survived all my math classes by learning to recite whatever I was doing with my internal narrative monologue. Long division is still my personal hell. I did fine once I reached algebra.

[Amaya-Asha]

OK just want say its Dyslexia and I have been dealing with it since 2nd grade.

Just wanted to State Dyslexia is spectral so each person can have similar issues like visual, auditory or even both and can be different depending on what is being learned. So for me I had to run that 24man all week until I was able to get handle of the visual what Construct 7 was asking. There so much text going on so bit like having my learning difference as sub-boss in game. Yeah I looked up prime number to have 1 less thing. During my 1st run some party member said hope you recall prime numbers. I actually had to study up on prime numbers cause its been decades since grade school.

So yeah I wouldn't want it nerfed or change to fit my learning style. Just never had game remind me so directly that I am dyslexic. Yeah and even year from now I will still mess up. I'm cool with that.
Its was stressful while knowing as healer I need to live to help top off.

[Canadane]

What he needs us more math parts.
Giving players more stacks to the buff they get for being right and thus more dps.

[Elamys]

OK just want say its Dyslexia and I have been dealing with it since 2nd grade.

https://www.understood.org/en/learni...ng-dyscalculia

[Vhailor]

The issue is how it's taught, most math is just taught as "learn this because you have to" they rarely teach you the real world implication of mathematical ideas. If one were to understand why certain concepts are important people may retain the information better but when your school system teaches you that the multiplications are 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20, 3 6 9 12 15 18 21 24 27 30, 4 8 12 16 20 24 28 32 36 40, 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40 45 50, 8 16 24 32 40 48 56 64 72 80, etc etc, it just leaves most peoples minds because they don't understand why it's important to learn.

Utility of learned information should be part of an education system curriculum but many just regurgitate information to you without explaining why it's important.

In fairness, most subjects require significant groundwork be laid prior to interesting applications being readily apparent.

Reciting the alphabet and learning how to spell and write basic sentences, for example, is critical to reading. Prior to having some of the basics down, you can't easily jump into a book. Once you do get the basics, you can begin reading, which then reinforces skills and builds new ones, which leads to more complex reading... and then a whole world opens up for you.

Mathematics is like this too, but unlike reading, there aren't a lot of useful applications for math right off the bat. It's more of an art form than anything else, and much like teaching art, it depends to some extent on inborn interest from the students. You can present neat tricks, you can demonstrate math 'magic', you can leverage puzzles as learning aids, but if there's no interest in learning for the sake of learning - if the student doesn't value the abstract - math tends to be a struggle. The concrete examples are either too contrived, or too advanced. At least, that's been my experience.

[RiyahArp]

Eh, think of it this way. Remember Diabolos's first appearance in a dungeon? You had to pay attention to which two doors had symbols on them and go through them to avoid wiping. It's just two symbols, right? But I'm willing to bet enough people struggle with that to where once ilvl got decent enough, taking the hit and brute forcing it was an option. for a few people, math is like that in this. I mean, they can do it in their real lives just like you could play a memory game and find two alike symbols. But in the middle of a battle, it is a lot rougher if you aren't good at memory antics and multitasking.

And look, math in general is rough precisely because most people's lives don't deal with symbolism and abstraction to high levels. People learn calculation by rote teaching and drilling, but go to a community college basic algebra class, and you find a lot of adults struggle with that. You don't go out and calculate how tall of a ladder you need by geometry when you need to get to the roof, like the word problems say. If you are in STEM careers, that abstraction is very valuable because so much of that work is logical and symbolic, but I don't think most people would pass a basic algebra test if it were administered.

[Ilenya]

Eh, think of it this way. Remember Diabolos's first appearance in a dungeon? You had to pay attention to which two doors had symbols on them and go through them to avoid wiping. It's just two symbols, right? But I'm willing to bet enough people struggle with that to where once ilvl got decent enough, taking the hit and brute forcing it was an option. for a few people, math is like that in this. I mean, they can do it in their real lives just like you could play a memory game and find two alike symbols. But in the middle of a battle, it is a lot rougher if you aren't good at memory antics and multitasking.

Back when it was current, when I was running it at least, the healer took a moment to mark the doors for matching pairs when the fight started so you wouldn't have to remember them all throughout the fight. Unfortunately not an option in Ridorana.