According to FFLogs, AST pDPS >= WHM pDPS in 4.3

[Yuyuka3]

Fingers crossed SE notice this trend as well as it'd be a good excuse to have another look over a WHM's overall contribution.

I wouldn't hold my breath about this as a long-time WHM who has witnessed all the unnecessary nerfs the class got as well as AST overbuffing and what not. Whoever is in charge of healer balancing has showed time and time again they got no clue what they are doing. I would really appreciate if they would just give healers into somebody elses hands who knows what they are doing. I'm mad.

[Miste]

I wouldn't hold my breath about this as a long-time WHM who has witnessed all the unnecessary nerfs the class got

When was WHM nerfed?

I can only think of like Stoneskin being removed...but it got replaced by Divine Benison.

I guess Holy got nerfed waaaay back due to it being overpowered since SE didn't know players would adopt speed running in dungeons at the time. Flare from BLM also got the same treatment where it reduces in potency the more mobs it hits. Seemed they considered it necessary since actual DPS jobs got nerfed they couldn't leave Holy the way it was.

I might be forgetting things though so what else was there?

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I wouldn't hold my breath about this as a long-time WHM who has witnessed all the unnecessary nerfs the class got as well as AST overbuffing and what not. Whoever is in charge of healer balancing has showed time and time again they got no clue what they are doing. I would really appreciate if they would just give healers into somebody elses hands who knows what they are doing. I'm mad.

WHM was never nerfed. Actually in HW it saw no changes at all, while SB saw various changes that could be classified as buffs.

Still, I do agree with not holding your breath for any response to this issue.
To SE, as long as a healer can heal content without much issue, they're fine. It sucks though because healer balance was actually really good for a while there. It's a shame that we're back to this.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

Holy got nerfed in 3.0 and 2.0.

2.0 nerf was less potency.
3.0 was that the more mobs there are, the less damage it does.

[Tint]

When was WHM nerfed?

they took away Thunder as a cross-skill. okay, they took it away from everyone, but still a nerf.
they reduced the potency of the medica 2 HoT, but increased the duration... i would call it a nerf
they reduced the potency of holy
they took away the 100% crit procc for Cure 3 and replaced it with a 50% less mana costs procc wich was barely usefull... Cure 3 procc was at least an increase over Cure 2

later they further nerfed holy by reducing the potency when more than 1 enemy was hit
they removed the 18% stoneskin
they removed WHMs proshell exclusivity and didn't replaced it with a proper effect

they took away WHMs 30% / 60 sec cd healbuff and replaced it with a role action wich has only 20% on a 90 sec cooldown. however, WHM got buffed on other skills.

[Risvertasashi]

they removed the 18% stoneskin

Just wanted to mention that this one really hurt at the time. Stoneskin had terrible mana efficiency even at 18%.

Then SE nerfed the skill by 45%, and left the huge MP cost the same.

[Miste]

Holy got nerfed in 3.0 and 2.0.

2.0 nerf was less potency.
3.0 was that the more mobs there are, the less damage it does.

Yes, but those were pretty much necessary, contrary to what Yuyuka said. It wasn't an unnecessary nerf since if you played WHM back in 2.0 you'd know WHM was AoEing more than a BLM which is an actual DPS job.

As for the more mobs there are less damage nerf they did that to a lot of AoE abilities/spells to reduce how much AoE damage was doing as a whole. It's not like they could nerf SMN/SCH bane and nerf BLM Flare and just leave Holy to be more powerful than actual DPS job kits.

I wouldn't consider these unnecessary nerfs...they were needed to fix balance between roles and jobs, just like when they nerfed Balance Card on AST.

they took away Thunder as a cross-skill. okay, they took it away from everyone, but still a nerf.

It was necessary in my opinion. They can't take it away from everyone else, but leave it on WHM.

they reduced the potency of the medica 2 HoT, but increased the duration... i would call it a nerf

Was necessary due to the hate it generated and still kept the same potency so it isn't a nerf in my opinion. It healed the same amount just over a different timeframe.

they reduced the potency of holy

Answered this above.

they took away the 100% crit procc for Cure 3 and replaced it with a 50% less mana costs procc wich was barely usefull... Cure 3 procc was at least an increase over Cure 2

In 2.0 and 3.0 MP reduction was useful, but it isn't now so yeah this could be considered unnecessary.

later they further nerfed holy by reducing the potency when more than 1 enemy was hit

Answered above.

they removed the 18% stoneskin

This could be considered unnecessary at the time, but I mained WHM still back then so I didn't really find it that bad.

Divine Benison still much better than SS in my opinion.

they removed WHMs proshell exclusivity and didn't replaced it with a proper effect

Other healers getting proshell isn't a nerf to WHM as WHM did not lose anything from its kit.

they took away WHMs 30% / 60 sec cd healbuff and replaced it with a role action wich has only 20% on a 90 sec cooldown. however, WHM got buffed on other skills.

Yeah this one kinda isn't a nerf since they balanced it out with other things WHM got which made it even better actually.

[Risvertasashi]

Yes, but those were pretty much necessary, contrary to what Yuyuka said.

I think the main takeaway is that saying WHM has never been nerfed is rather wrong, with a number of counts showing otherwise.

But I also think that's a distraction. The real issue is power creep. IMO.

[Miste]

I think the main takeaway is that saying WHM has never been nerfed is rather wrong, with a number of counts showing otherwise.

But I also think that's a distraction. The real issue is power creep. IMO.

Yeah I understand that. Simply I wouldn't say all WHM's nerfs were unnecessary which is what I was contesting.

Some were now that I have been reminded of a few of them, but a lot were necessary to fix balance or other things. Most jobs have had some necessary changes over the times whether it was a nerf or not.

[Sebazy]

they reduced the potency of the medica 2 HoT, but increased the duration... i would call it a nerf

For anyone that wonders why this happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5TDzbqfEAo

That sweet sweet enmity <3