What if the new expansion doesn't a healer or a tank

[Exiled_Tonberry]

It's thoughts like this that make healer/tank balance so hard to hear feedback from.

I dunno what it is, but people will just never be satisfied unless healers and tanks are somehow 100% perfectly even. The difference between a WHM and AST is not big.

AST and SCH now DPS for as much as WHM and can heal content as easily as whm.

However SCH offers around 600 raid DPS and AST 600 or more depending on RNG. These are not small differences. Not to say they're as dramatic as, say, 3.4 But this is definitely something that needs to be looked at.

[basketofseals]

AST and SCH now DPS for as much as WHM and can heal content as easily as whm.

However SCH offers around 600 raid DPS and AST 600 or more depending on RNG. These are not small differences. Not to say they're as dramatic as, say, 3.4 But this is definitely something that needs to be looked at.

If you were to total AST'S personal dps+raid dps it would only total about 250 more AT MOST. The lower in skill you get, and there's no shame in not being a 99% raider, the lower this gap becomes. Not to mention that requires godlike balance luck. The difference between DRG and NIN, the two best dps jobs at the moment, is more than that.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

If you were to total AST'S personal dps+raid dps it would only total about 250 more AT MOST. The lower in skill you get, and there's no shame in not being a 99% raider, the lower this gap becomes. Not to mention that requires godlike balance luck. The difference between DRG and NIN, the two best dps jobs at the moment, is more than that.

I just want to correct this really quickly.
AST is currently, on average, doing more DPS than WHM without counting card utility after the 4.3 buffs.

[basketofseals]

I just want to correct this really quickly.
AST is currently, on average, doing more DPS than WHM without counting card utility after the 4.3 buffs.

That's really beside the point. So now the difference between WHM and AST is 450ish(looking at the fastest God Kefka kill this patch with a WHM). In the same encounter, the difference between the DRG and the NIN/MCH was 800. Then the BRD is 1400 down from the DRG.

Those dps jobs are considered top tier. How is WHM "grossly underpowered" when the difference between it and AST is only about half of that between the best and the second best damage job.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

That's really beside the point. So now the difference between WHM and AST is 450ish(looking at the fastest God Kefka kill this patch with a WHM). In the same encounter, the difference between the DRG and the NIN/MCH was 800. Then the BRD is 1400 down from the DRG.

Those dps jobs are considered top tier. How is WHM "grossly underpowered" when the difference between it and AST is only about half of that between the best and the second best damage job.

Because unlike Ninja, or Bard or DRG or any of those top jobs, they don't have utility.
A Ninja maybe be below a DRG, but their raid dps shoots them way higher than normal. WHM has none of that. What you see is what you get. And what you get is a job that is underperforming even before considering raid contribution.

[basketofseals]

Because unlike Ninja, or Bard or DRG or any of those top jobs, they don't have utility.
A Ninja maybe be below a DRG, but their raid dps shoots them way higher than normal. WHM has none of that. What you see is what you get. And what you get is a job that is underperforming even before considering raid contribution.

I am already accounting for raid dps. The damage numbers I've mentioned are already with each job's respective raid wide damage buffs attributed to them. So DRG is 1400 ahead of BRD still. Even if you were to come at a non-damage utility angle, the difference between MCH and BRD was 600 despite bringing nearly the same utility. In fact MCH might bring even more with Dismantle being three times more available than Troubadour.

You are making a mountain out of a molehill.