Red Mages need some love

[Malkria]

This is why we don't go by anecdote.

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/21
In the last two weeks:
Total Black Mage uploads: 15,992
Total Red Mage uploads: 18, 889
Total Summoner uploads: 24,099

For keks and farts:
Total Machinist uploads: 11,450

Which is why you can't go by parser. First off those who use parser are already per-dispositioned to wanting to stick to the highest numbers over a job that they enjoy. Meaning you are more likely to see parsers from people who are heavily into the meta, which in turn is smaller (as in every game) compared to the population at large. Furthermore, many don't use FFlogs at all so again the numbers will be skewed. While it IS quantifiable data, I hesitate to accept it as representational data.

A much better way to judge the popularity would be to have a simple unbiased poll of what players determine to be their main job and how happy they are with it.

[Dualgunner]

Which is why you can't go by parser. First off those who use parser are already per-dispositioned to wanting to stick to the highest numbers over a job that they enjoy. Meaning you are more likely to see parsers from people who are heavily into the meta, which in turn is smaller (as in every game) compared to the population at large.

If we can't go by recorded data, what can we go by? Also, a recording of >100,000 people is somehow less accurate than a poll of <3000 people which was a hill you were ready to die on a few pages ago?

Meaning you are more likely to see parsers from people who are heavily into the meta, which in turn is smaller (as in every game) compared to the population at large. Furthermore, many don't use FFlogs at all so again the numbers will be skewed. While it IS quantifiable data, I hesitate to accept it as representational data.

Those are heavy inferences, and more weasel words. Do you ever use anything but weasel words? "Many." "Most." Wanna know why they're called weasel words? They're called that because they're just vague enough that you're not technically ever wrong, so you can weasel out of your statements.

A much better way to judge the popularity would be to have a simple unbiased poll of what players determine to be their main job and how happy they are with it.

A poll of <3000 people. No, you're wrong.

[HyoMinPark]

I go by what I run into. Which tends to be RDM far more then BLM, in fact in any given group I join up in chances are there will be a RDM or SMN...but hardly ever a BLM.

You cannot do that and expect it to be, in any way, representational. FFLogs is more representational than what you see on a day-to-day basis in-game; your experiences are anecdotes, and cannot constitute as factual.

Really? because the polls I found (even if they were back in heavenward) show that...over half did NOT like the job. Furthermore, if it was such a good job why do you not run into it as much during raids? I tend to see more SMN and RDM then BLM...even more MCH then BLM. There are only three magic casters, so why is it that the BLM seems to be the least popular, and by a significant margin?

What type of polls were these? Were they officially sanctioned? Did they have a large pool of data? If they did not, you cannot consider them representational either. If they are the polls I’m thinking of, I would wager to say that FFLogs is far more representational than a poll with only ~3,000 responses...that is also ~3 years old.

[Malkria]

You cannot do that and expect it to be, in any way, representational. FFLogs is more representational than what you see on a day-to-day basis in-game; your experiences are anecdotes, and cannot constitute as factual.

Also backed up by at least 50 people from my FC.

What type of polls were these? Were they officially sanctioned? Did they have a large pool of data? If they did not, you cannot consider them representational either. If they are the polls I’m thinking of, I would wager to say that FFLogs is far more representational than a poll with only ~3,000 responses...that is also ~3 years old.

Ah...so what you are actually trying to do is troll and pick a fight. First off the poll doesn't exist yet, so cool your jets. Second, like I said FFlogs is not a true representation of the community as those who would use FFlogs are more concerned about numbers while they are using it. In other words you are more likely to have someone loading a log from playing with a static and using the job they play for said static vs what they prefer to play or play for fun. In my case you would more likely see an FFlog for AST even though I spend most of my time playing other jobs and enjoying being a DPS. The AST not being representative of the job I prefer.

I mean FFlogs are kind of junk for the most part anyways, with most people trying to apply them to more they ther actually apply to. This being a perfect example.

[Dualgunner]

Also backed up by at least 50 people from my FC.

Anecdote * 50 = Scientific Evidence. Got it.

Ah...so what you are actually trying to do is troll and pick a fight.

That's you so far, actually, not her.

First off the poll doesn't exist yet, so cool your jets.

So you mean you aren't referencing the poll you already linked in this post (and don't bother editing it now, you're quoted immediately afterward) when you're bringing up popularity polls?

Second, like I said FFlogs is not a true representation of the community as those who would use FFlogs are more concerned about numbers while they are using it.

Yes. You said it. You backed it up with nothing though.

In other words you are more likely to have someone loading a log from playing with a static and using the job they play for said static vs what they prefer to play or play for fun.

Source?

In my case you would more likely see an FFlog for AST even though I spend most of my time playing other jobs and enjoying being a DPS. The AST not being representative of the job I prefer.

So why is AST your main on this forum? Also how is having to play an AST instead of a meta DPS any less meta?

I mean FFlogs are kind of junk for the most part anyways, with most people trying to apply them to more they ther actually apply to. This being a perfect example.

You don't like FFLogs =/= it being junk.

[HyoMinPark]

Also backed up by at least 50 people from my FC.

I’m sorry, but who are your FC? Sorry if I’m not apt to take evidence from a pool of 50 people versus a pool from FFLogs of tens of thousands, if not more.

Ah...so what you are actually trying to do is troll and pick a fight. First off the poll doesn't exist yet, so cool your jets.

I’m sorry, what? You yourself said you saw polls from pre-HW era to back up these “facts” you’re going on about:

Really? because the polls I found (even if they were back in heavenward) show that...over half did NOT like the job.

You obviously didn’t read what I wrote, so please go back and read it again. Where was I talking about future polls?

I mean FFlogs are kind of junk for the most part anyways, with most people trying to apply them to more they ther actually apply to. This being a perfect example.

As opposed to quoting old polls from 3+ years ago that aren’t even a fraction of a percent of the playerbase as a whole? I said that a resource like FFLogs is more reliable as a representation than a poll of only 3,000 responses. I’m sorry, but learn the basics of statistics before you start a debate; especially one about popularity and representativeness.

[Mhaeric]

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[Malkria]

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Nah...shows over. I mean when people start chopping up your post into line by line responses you know they are just getting desperate for attention from you. I guess that means those two 'win' the argument, but hey I like letting people feel good about themselves once in awhile. These two probably needed a win of some sort in their lives somehow.

[HyoMinPark]

Nah...shows over. I mean when people start chopping up your post into line by line responses you know they are just getting desperate for attention from you. I guess that means those two 'win' the argument, but hey I like letting people feel good about themselves once in awhile. These two probably needed a win of some sort in their lives somehow.

LOL.

I’m sorry, I neither know nor care who you are, nor do I care about your attention. You can tell yourself whatever you need to in order to sleep at night, but I could not care less. I do care about people who come into arguments trying to pass off anecdotes as facts, though.

And I do thank you for my evening laugh.

[Dualgunner]

Nah...shows over. I mean when people start chopping up your post into line by line responses you know they are just getting desperate for attention from you. I guess that means those two 'win' the argument, but hey I like letting people feel good about themselves once in awhile. These two probably needed a win of some sort in their lives somehow.

You have no answers for the questions posed to you, and you're hurting since the real world disagrees with your echo chamber. Sorry, that's life. You're wrong regarding your posts, your evidence is lackluster at best, and you're resorting to ad hominem. Log back in, unequip the Black Mage stone and play something you want to play instead of whining about playstyles your echo chamber doesn't like.