Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Avatre]

I think this is a wonderful idea, I'd be all for it! I know I've personally queued into things on patch day and not taken off my crown, I'm sure without knowing the mechanics I didn't play up to what everyone's standards for a mentor might be.

It's one of the reasons I keep my crown off until Mentor Roulette forces me to show it. I try and provide what help I can even while it's off, but sometimes people either don't want to listen or I don't know the mechanic all that well.

[ko_]

Until there is serious revision of this system or some sort of change that actually means mentors are held to a higher standard I will continue to disagree with "omg bad mentor kick them" vehemently because it is no less abusive than "omg bad sprout kick them" and we all know that would never fly.

You have a point and I agree.. they need to update the system. As it is.. it's really hard to tell the difference between someone who cares and everyone else.

[NephthysVasudan]

Mentor - Mouthy argument

So let me set expectations.


If I see you wearing a Mentor crown... I'm going to assume the following:
That you are a component player in the role you are playing.
That you have completed the main portion of the games in terms of MSQ
That you can recognize and adapt to mechanics as needed.
And if you've never done content..you will annouce this is your first time.

That said... if you can tell me which or what of the above items are bad....feel free to say so.

I can forgive the chakra mess ups....but satanding there during bliblotaph phases..repeatedly...ignoring the bomb drops....facerolling missiles....obvious things that people with half a brain can dodge.....is no excuse or allowance for being a *unspoken* first timer after 2nd...3rd..4th biblotaph phases across wipes. (Average of 2 to 3 each full fight)
You cant reach this instance fight without going through great gubal library...there's just flat no excuse.
After even 1 wipe I'd like to think that mentor figured it out..it wasn't until 2nd time I started getting very annoyed..3rd time I started snarling.

Is it right? prob. not...but I refuse to sit idly by and let someone with a crown get away with murder.
Mentors are broken...I get that..but if you wearing the crown..I expect you to have a semblance of experience...and at least tell others if you are new to the instance or not.

I rest my case.

[MoroMurasaki]

I rest my case.

I'm not trying to argue with you, I just don't think disrespecting people based on your personal expectations of mentors (which are quite obviously a pipe dream) is okay.

In terms of communicating being new to a fight... have you ever tried to type on ps4? I don't know how fast the tanks pulled but personally if I forgot to queue up "first time" in the text bar before entering an instance I couldn't generally get it out. I know some people at good at this, I'm not though.

Some of your expectations are incredibly vague - recognize and adapt to mechanics as needed? If you had 8 people that could do that you could one-shot Ultimate, especially if they were also competent in the role they were playing.

My issue is that you're trying to justify disrespecting someone because they didn't meet your personal standards for mentorship... I hate to point out the obvious but you don't get to decide the standards mentors are held to. SE has been very clear across the board that any time the playerbase tries to have a set of standards beyond ilvl or prior completion of content we are in the wrong. Look no further than the asinine stance on parsers.

In my opinion if you disrespected someone for playing poorly you're no better than someone who parses and harrasses/kicks over low dps unnecessarily. You do mot know that person's experience level beyond a tank, healer and dps at 60, 300 comms and 1k dungeon runs. If everyone who met those criteria also checked all your boxes for mentorship DF and PF would be much different experiences.

I don't intend to further derail this thread that I personally enjoy, I think anyone who reads these posts can see that one of us is arguing that they should be allowed to disrespect other players and that is enough for most people to make up their minds.

You handled yourself poorly - the best thing you can do now is recognize the mistake and not make it again. Best of luck.

[Blueyes]

Positive story. Earlier, I was in The Royal City of Rabanastre. I was playing as Red Mage. The boss was Rofocale (the third one) and I was targeted by the attack that places three circle AoE under you in succession. Embrace had been put down earlier. Having dodged two of the circle AoE, I had lost track of where Embrace would trigger. As a result, I was caught and bound. At that moment, the third circle AoE appeared, but in addition, the two large line AoE appeared across the middle of the arena directly under where I had been standing.

I found myself at death's door with no way to escape. The circle AoE detonated which left me with a fraction of health and still no time to run from the second AoE. Suddenly, I was rescued. Literally. My character was pulled to safety by the healer and my life was saved. It was the first time I had ever received a Rescue in a situation where I surely would have died without it. I didn't manage to catch which healer had pulled it off, but you have my thanks.

[Iscah]

Had a stressful run of Toto-Rak yesterday. Myself as an out-of-practice paladin, with a bard and samurai as DPS.

I was losing control of some of the early enemies, could have been my fault, could have been the bard's... but the 'fun' started after going into the side chamber to pick up one of the first photocells. We beat the mitelings in there and before I could even pick up the photocell, the bard has cast Peloton and is off down the corridor. And so it begins.

I seem to be at the back of the group more often than the front. Peloton cast at every opportunity (which feels like "hurry up, you're not going fast enough"). The bard runs ahead and starts shooting things, or moves off and starts attacking the next spiderweb opening while we're still fighting enemies. It gets to the point I have no idea what's even going on, I have no control over the enemies, and have to stop and type "[Bard], please stop running ahead".

So what happens?

They do stop, but the samurai is now running ahead instead.

There's little left to do except slog through corridors to the boss, so I give up and just quietly fume. (And sure enough, they're from the same server when I check afterwards.)

Nothing went really "wrong" in the end, but it just left me feeling stressed.

[Frizze]

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I agree with just about everything youre saying. Mentorship is a lot easier to obtain then some people realize, and being rude/disrespectful is almost never the right answer. Nephthys is also forgetting that someone could have theoretically(not at all likely but entirely possible) bought a SB story-skip, and never have actually been forced to run Gubal(either getting their 1000 dungeons done in the past before returning from an lapsed sub or just having run a ton of stuff in the last year and becoming a mentor more recently). To me the bibliotaph summoning circles(not to mention the aura circles) seem like a visually obvious mechanic, but im not the WHM from this story who did a lot of mechanics wrong. But i will defend Nephthys's reaction on one point(if not exactly their actions). My reading of the story provided(and if im wrong, then ignore all of this) was that in addition to botching mechanics this WHM also wasnt doing any healing in a group that featured multiple wipes. A mentor crown wearing healer should know how to heal. Really, anyone who leveled WHM to 70 should know how to heal - crown or not. Fulfilling your basic function in the group shouldnt be too much to ask.

[Mhaeric]

the 'fun' started after going into the side chamber to pick up one of the first photocells. We beat the mitelings in there and before I could even pick up the photocell, the bard has cast Peloton and is off down the corridor.

As a point of reference for why they might have done this, the usual path through there involves skipping that first side room. The photocell in there is not needed. They probably didn't want to have to spend all the time killing the significant number of extra mobs on that dungeon, so wanted to make sure the shortest path was taken since you had demonstrated you didn't know it by leading the group into that room. I wouldn't tale Peleton use personally. It affects everybody equally, so they're not using it to rush ahead of the party but rather help the party out.

[Iscah]

As a point of reference for why they might have done this, the usual path through there involves skipping that first side room. The photocell in there is not needed. They probably didn't want to have to spend all the time killing the significant number of extra mobs on that dungeon, so wanted to make sure the shortest path was taken since you had demonstrated you didn't know it by leading the group into that room. I wouldn't tale Peleton use personally. It affects everybody equally, so they're not using it to rush ahead of the party but rather help the party out.

My understanding is that your choice is either taking that side path there, or a different side path later when you reach the second miniboss chamber with only 3 out of 4 needed cells. In any case we'd already spent the time in the room and just had to actually pick up the cell to make it not-wasted.

Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure they also kept running ahead while I was the one picking up dropped cells from enemies.

Peleton just seems unnecessary at the rate some people cast it. One or two seconds away from the next enemy? *whoosh, go faster!* ...that irks me a little at the best of times, but it's okay if everything is otherwise going normally. In combination with how much they were rushing through and not waiting for me, it's just an extra layer of feeling hassled.

[Ceridwenae]

Had a stressful run of Toto-Rak yesterday. Myself as an out-of-practice paladin, with a bard and samurai as DPS...

Had exactly the same situation a few days ago, except in Sastasha. I was on arcanist, and actually asked the bard to stop running ahead (using Peloton as it does so) pulling the mobs, and to let the (sprout) tank do it. Was ignored, no one else said anything and my props go to the healer for keeping things ticking for the tank, as no wipes. Think I've encountered a tank bot a couple of weeks back (was a very sad noob healer that day), but didn't know they could be lvl 60 (ish) geared bards.