Quality of Life Improvements and MSQ Gating for New Players

[Kaitoo]

You can play FFXIV 2 hours a week and get the max ilvl stuff... FFXIV is one of the most casual MMORPG. Some people come on this game for this reason... 2hours a day in workday, 4-5 hours on weekend, more than enough for everything except savage...

You contradict yourself in this line of text twice, impressive

[Aerlana]

You contradict yourself in this line of text twice, impressive

ok, i dont see where i contradict myself about time. When i say "i play X hours a week" without expanding, i always speek about workdays... not hollidays or weekend...
And... Yes you can get max ilvl stuff without goig in savage... This began in ARR with 2nd tier stuff... nothing new...

[Kaitoo]

ok, i dont see where i contradict myself abotu time
And... Yes you can get max ilvl stuff without goig in savage... This began in ARR with 2nd tier stuff... nothing new...

Well i dont it might be very elusaive but playing 2 hours every day, as in EVERY (i marked it for you) day is something different then playing 5 on weekends.

And yes, you can with time gating, something that this very topic, and your points, is against.

Like what? i dont even

[Aerlana]

Well i dont it might be very elusaive but playing 2 hours every day, as in EVERY (i marked it for you) day is something different then playing 5 on weekends.

And yes, you can with time gating, something that this very topic, and your points, is against.

Like what? i dont even

Max ilvl-10 = dongeon. less than 1 hour a day. (and no need to do it the 7 days)
Token to get 10 more ilvl : at least raid 24, some patch we also had this on hunts. 1 hour to do 1 time the raid 24 a week...
Just spam those, and you are max ilvl

[Penthea]

Max ilvl-10 = dongeon. less than 1 hour a day. (and no need to do it the 7 days)
Token to get 10 more ilvl : at least raid 24, some patch we also had this on hunts. 1 hour to do 1 time the raid 24 a week...
Just spam those, and you are max ilvl

You have forgotten savage and extreme raiding exists? You need those for max ilvl and well...they take far more than an hour here and there.

[Aerlana]

You have forgotten savage and extreme raiding exists? You need those for max ilvl and well...they take far more than an hour here and there.

no need savage except for weapon, and 1 ring (ok, let add, over 6 month, killing 4 time the first savage boss... the easy one)

Extrem primals? Useless for max ilvl. they only gives weapon, and never the top ilvl one. And you need what...2 or 3hours training on extrem primals... over 3 month getting 10 kill even with 1 hour a day for this (other for the dongeon)... not a matter. The last big farm i did was Shiva, i needed 35 hours for the first kill and getting the 10 weapons... Now with tokens, you can get a weapon in 2 hours. Just need to do 2x1 hour ...

lets say, in pure PUG you need twice the time... we are in less than 3 month for primals...


For the "you need the SB MSQ" yes, and... happy that all MSQ are not disappearing. Like wow where the last 10 levels, you have to do it yourself until there is 10 more to do...
But, the 1=>60 MSQ are a long, useless road, when you can get to the game itself. Before a "MSQ is mandatory in a Final Fantasy Game" SE already stated, with cash shop, that it is false. Not me... I would prefer only the Lvl60 item in cash shop, no gate on MSQ, you free to begin in first HW/first SB MSQ, unluck bahamut, omega and primals freely. and can do all other previous MSQ after (the cash shop is "yo udo it yourself, or you cant do" that is clearly worse)

[Sapphire_Dianta]

I've never really understood the whole "the game doesn't really begin until max level" argument. It's endgame; as in, it's the end of the game. You don't see high-level players moping around because they have barely anything to do for no reason. In every video game (and life in general, I suppose), isn't the journey itself more worthwhile than the destination?

[AxlStream]

I've never really understood the whole "the game doesn't really begin until max level" argument. It's endgame; as in, it's the end of the game. You don't see high-level players moping around because they have barely anything to do for no reason. In every video game (and life in general, I suppose), isn't the journey itself more worthwhile than the destination?

It's because in MMO fashion, the leveling process is a glorified tutorial. Slowly showing you the ropes and slowly adding new tools to your arsenal. An MMO veteran gets no joy out of the leveling process as it is often the same concepts repeated to them for the nth time.

[Adeacia]

It's because in MMO fashion, the leveling process is a glorified tutorial. Slowly showing you the ropes and slowly adding new tools to your arsenal. An MMO veteran gets no joy out of the leveling process as it is often the same concepts repeated to them for the nth time.

I've played...quite a few mmos. I've always preferred the time taken to reach max level, over being at max level. To the point where I would actually quit playing when I hit the cap.

[Penthea]

It's because in MMO fashion, the leveling process is a glorified tutorial. Slowly showing you the ropes and slowly adding new tools to your arsenal. An MMO veteran gets no joy out of the leveling process as it is often the same concepts repeated to them for the nth time.

Speak for yourself. I played WoW for over ten years before I even started playing XIV and I absolutely adored the lvling content.