Please let us buy gil since it's not pay to win.

[Okamimaru]

Here's why buying gil is bad... currently there is a balance on how much gil is aquired in game vs gil sinks... Gil currently only enters the economy via selling items to npcs and quest rewards... Gil is only shuffled around when the MB is used (with a slight gil reduction via tax)... if you sell gil youre suddenly opening the floodgates on the gil supply but leaving the drain the same... gil piles up and with it prices will also rise... there becomes a gap between those who buy gil vs those who dont... that's just economics.... this would be far more disastrous than anything an evil mastermind could potentially do to the economy with this app....

[Moonlite]

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The most common suggestion I am seeing is allowing the sale of mogstation items. Which creates zero gil it just allows the gil in the game to circulate better. Hell they are already adding a future currency to the mogstation. Just allow the sale of that and allow it to buy mogstation items in game form a mog coin vendor. They don't even have to pretend bound to account "Player X with more money then time buys mog coin. Sells mog coin to Player Y. Because Player Y has more time than money. Player Y uses it to buy Carbuncle slippers." A percentage of us have to be quiet because SE can claim all cash shop items are available for gil.

Second "HaHa", really you feel the incoming gil is balanced? I think you are the first person I have seen claim that. I at least feel general consensus was the game has so much gil it is worthless, for people with playing time.

[JackHatchet]

Yeah, none of these situations allow the introduction of 'new' gil into the system. But still, even if you wanted to be anti-new gil. Why not lamblast the fact that every character boost is automatically given 600,000 gil worth of allagan platinum pieces? My biggest beef with the FFXIV community is the sheer bias and acceptance of some skeptical issues, but the outright disapproval of others.

We got people say some things are ok, and other things are not, but without any defined logic. And without a solid understanding of what should be right and what should be wrong--square enix will constantly push the envelope. And that's worrysome

[Rokke]

Here's why buying gil is bad... currently there is a balance on how much gil is aquired in game vs gil sinks... Gil currently only enters the economy via selling items to npcs and quest rewards... Gil is only shuffled around when the MB is used (with a slight gil reduction via tax)... if you sell gil youre suddenly opening the floodgates on the gil supply but leaving the drain the same... gil piles up and with it prices will also rise... there becomes a gap between those who buy gil vs those who dont... that's just economics.... this would be far more disastrous than anything an evil mastermind could potentially do to the economy with this app....

OP isn’t arguing if buying/selling gil is bad or not. They’re saying that if we accept the new premium features to not be considered P2W then buying gil would not be P2W either. Both will give you an advantage on the mb but since you aren’t “winning” either pvp/pve they're not P2W.

Its exactly like you said earlier-

you obviously DON'T know what pay to win is... what exactly did you "win"? You got gil... I got gil too... what advantage did you gain over me? You paid real money to have a chance at making in game money... seems like I am the bigger winner... I only paid my sub while you threw money at SE for literally NO advantage other than saving time... I pay to play you apparently pay to not play... if wasting real money is how you define winning I'll stay a happy loser...

What advantage would be gained over you, other than saving time? ;^)


@ op -
I agree completely. Both are advantages for spending money so they're either both p2w or neither are p2w.

[Vstarstruck]

OP isn’t arguing if buying/selling gil is bad or not. They’re saying that if we accept the new premium features to not be considered P2W then buying gil would not be P2W either. Both will give you an advantage on the mb but since youaren’t “winning” either pvp/pve they're not P2W.

Its exactly like you said earlier-


What advantage would be gained over you, other than saving time? ;^)


@ op -
I agree completely. Both are advantages for spending money so they're either both p2w or neither are p2w.

Don't forget this gem:

Simply put: no competition= no winning= no pay to win... if you could pk other players, or had guild wars, or if hunts dropped ultra rare items that only the person who did the most damage got and the BiS gears came from the mogstation... that's pay to win... gil only lets you save time... it's a convenience...

Here's why buying gil is bad... currently there is a balance on how much gil is aquired in game vs gil sinks

See this is how I know you do not know much about the economy (well thinking there is no "win" was the first tip)

In short:

gil gain FAR outweigh the gil sinks, it is the number one reason people call gil worthless and a joke in this game. With that said, the P2W aspect comes in when you start talking about rare items and heavily sought out items like how some people buy 10 M+ in some glams. This happens because there is no gil sinks (too much gil is hoarded so this is the reason why rare items are so inflated), and paying real money where a one person can exploit it to the point of controlling everything if they chose, is a fine definition for P2W

base sub max is 320 sale slots vs 1600 with max p2w, try to ague that is not a problem. (assuming lack of skill in finding 500+ critical items to control is not a defense for the app)

[JackHatchet]

Square-Enix could clearly benefit from more gil sinks. I used to suggust a monthly tax on houses.

It's true that more gil would be added to the economy, but not in the way most uneducated people believe. No 'new' gil would be added. But those rich people who hoard gil with nothing to spend it on would probably empty out their banks into the economy to buy fantasias or pay for their subs. So more gil would circulate. But that's also under the philosophy that hoarding gil is somehow good, because it deflates the market.

The gil economy already has a lot of issues. But letting people trade it for a sub token is certainly not one of them.

[Rinuko]

I don't agree a tax or anything should be put in the game. If we truely needs bigger gil sinks apart from housing. Give us a Wow token system.

[KisaiTenshi]

Square-Enix could clearly benefit from more gil sinks. I used to suggust a monthly tax on houses.

No, that has never worked in any game as a sink. That just makes people buy more from RMT because they want the house but can't keep up with the inflation.

There needs to be more gil sinks, but they need to actually remove gil from the game, and so far there is absolutely nothing in the game that does this. Crafting airships was in theory supposed to do this by sinking materials off the market, but doesn't. Probably has more to do with the Airships not actually doing anything interesting but being another version of ventures to find yet more stuff to dump on the market.

Like the game points out there are air pirates, why not utilize that.

[Zojha]

That just makes people buy more from RMT because they want the house but can't keep up with the inflation.

Any meaningful gil sink has the potential to incentivize RMT, because if they sink negligible sums, they aren't meaningful and if they sink non-neglibible sums, then people might not be able to keep up and resort to RMT.

The only way around that is to sink the money of those people who have more than they need anyway, so taxing the wealth of the rich. Good luck with that.

[JackHatchet]

Game time tokens like Warcraft does is the perfect gil sink. Those who have gil can buy them, and those who feel they can't earn gil can just spend real-life American dollars. Chances are anyone who can't get lots of gil is someone who works a lot of hours anyways, so they'd probably appreciate being able to have gil for glamours and other fun things despite working so many hours all the time. It's win win.