Bunny outfits for men, not a cryptid!

[DreadRabbit]

Ruining my day? I'm not that petty.

I never said you were. You used the pig suit as an example, and so did I. I said "you" in a general sense, not you, Krotoan, specifically. I apologize for coming off that way.

It's an eyesore to me personally at worst for the 10-50 minutes it takes to do a dungeon. I'd never let someone elses choices affect me that badly but I'd greatly enjoy filtering out having to see others choices of certain glamours. I'm just saying that in my own world, on the hardware I pay for, with the access I pay for and using the software I've chosen to install, more customization of what I personally see that affects nobody else is a really weird, bordering on oppressive thing to deny me.

Now see, to an extent I do agree with this. You would think that for an "escape from reality" it would be totally okay to request this sort of thing. A no brainer, even.

But here's the thing: if you (and again, I mean generally, not you specifically. And I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm just wanting to make myself clear) were to walk out on the street and straight up tell people that what they're wearing is trash/not worth looking at/etc. and that they should change clothes to your preferences, then most people would agree that you're being a jerk.

Not to mention the option doesn't even solve the "problem" OP is talking about. Even if we had a toggle for glamour, people would just equip the glamour gear normally then to bypass it. Will the OP from the Japanese thread then ask the devs to delete the gear pieces they don't personally believe are immersive then, since the toggle doesn't work?

I've played many games that allow you to customize how you see other players in your own game. Sometimes for performance, sometimes for my own particular reasons of immersion and theme. Do you know how much money was lost when they put in the yokai watch stuff from people just leaving because it was so goofy and everywhere?

No I don't, but I also know that FFXIV is performing better and growing, so apparently whatever losses from that event are moot now, if they were ever truly that massive to begin with.

It's not going to be everyones' preference , sure. But I'll step up and say I'd want that in game. Click a box, everyone gets relegated to the default glamour for certain level ranges. Nobody would know except the player, heck even have it defaulted as off so you'd have to specifically look for it.

So what's the OP in the Japanese thread (and others with their mindset) going to do when they come across default armor in the game that would fit that description, but doesn't fit their personal tastes of what's immersive and what isn't? There's quite a few pieces that are revealing, androgynous, and not indicative of the climate/situation that are level and item level appropriate for those dungeons. Are they going to yell at people playing certain jobs for daring to enter their dungeon party in appropriate gear just because it doesn't suit their tastes still (you came in a level appropriate subligar? KICK!)?

I get people dress up in real life but it's usually for themselves or the people around them. However most places I'm forced to be around people for a prolonged amount of time have uniforms or at least dress codes: work, school, even restaurants. Dress how you like by all means but I'm not forced to stick around you if I find what you look like to be displeasing for whatever reason. In real life I dress how I want and I don't give a rats patootie what people think of me, perhaps this is why it's foreign to me how people will be put off simply by people not having to look at them.

For bold point number one: (dress codes)

Square Enix themselves have already defined a dress code:

- We have NPCs wearing leopard printed subligars that are important to the MSQ
- We have cat girls/girls in general in very skimpy bikini armor and bikinis in general for various professions (not just they "pleasurable company kind" )
- Both men and women can wear tights of any kind, even thigh highs
- The fashion report in the Gold Saucer is basically an in-game lore thing that shows stuff outrageously...put together is considered in fashion. I don't agree with it, most people don't, but it's there.
- We have main characters dressing pretty outlandishly too (Minfillia, the Weaver's Guild, Hildibrand, etc.)

So frankly, it is lore appropriate that adventurers can wear whatever the heck they want/can come up with. Which is why "my immersion" is such a weak argument. For performance? Sure, if people want the option to turn off gear like in FFXI to help with performance on their machines that's a totally different thing that should be allowed. But that's not what that JP thread is arguing for.

For point number two ("I have the right to ignore you"):

You can already do this now.

If someone hopping into a dungeon in an outfit that infuriates you is enough to ruin your dungeon run, then you are in your right to leave the dungeon. If someone runs by you in the game world in an outfit you despise or find offensive, guess what? No one's forcing you to turn your camera and watch them run into the horizon. If someone is deliberately following you and making you uncomfortable knowing what they're wearing is making you uncomfortable, you can report them for harassment. You can then move on with what you're doing. And as I've said already, people will just equip the glamour by itself so only dungeon runs are "safe."

That's why, to me personally, the immersion argument makes no sense whatsoever. Performance? Totally get that: then let everyone else be naked or wear a default potato sack. But just because they don't suit your tastes? You should probably not play in a multiplayer game where you're going to be forced into content with people of very different backgrounds, and frankly, tastes.