Is this truly wrong?

[Dzian]

To emphasise this, I generally average high 80s to mid 90s. With a death this week in o6s, I still reached 62% A 25% penalty for 90 seconds is far harsher than a random Ninja messing up Trick Attack. Will you dip in a less optimized group? Of course, but you aren't going from 95% to 50%. Bard and Machinist, unfortunately, stand as the sole exception due to piercing.

No entirely. Because if you change the jobs on that link to say monk

You see a very similar pattern where something like an 8-10% difference in damage will throw you up or down 40 percentiles in much the same way it does for a bard. Sam and blm are about the same..

It really doesn't take a lot of lost dps for any number of reasons to have a significant impact. Even being just a few points lower could put you down significantly.

[ChaoticCrimson]

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Right, it's not so much your current melds you need to worry about rather than the caster gear you currently have that's boosting your spell speed. You just need to swap out for some different pieces and save the other things for your other casters. For example, a lot of your left-side gear could probably stand to be swapped with different pieces. Since you're working on Eureka, as long as you're sticking with the NM train and leveling steadily it shouldn't take long to upgrade your relic body gear. It'll be a slight decrease in INT, but the gain in other important secondary stats and the five materia slots should more than make up for it. I'd also recommend saving your mendacity tomes towards the 360 hand, legs, and feet gear, with a priority on the legs since the current leg piece you have adds a ton of spell speed. If you can snag a 370 belt from O5S, then that could help too, but I don't think it's as big a priority. Your right-side gear is probably fine for the most part, so I don't think you need to change much there for the time being. It may take a few weeks altogether to save the tomes for the pieces I recommended, unless you already have some in reserve, but I think you'll find it worth it. Ariyala's toolkit site is also nice for planning out your gear progression and what stats you can expect to get out of them.

That said, I still think you're being too hard on yourself for those logs. You're still just starting out in the job, and like I said before, almost no one starts out being instantly good. I'd still like to encourage that you take some time now and then to practice your rotations, and brush up on some online guides for tips and tricks you might not have considered. I hope I'm not seeming like a pest, but I really do believe you can improve. Perhaps you can also get some practice in by doing some easier content that isn't liable to be parsed by anyone, like normal Byakko. That way you can get a feel for things with far less pressure, and you can continue to tank in savage until you feel comfortable to try again as SMN. Just be patient with yourself, and you'll get there in time.

[FeliAiko]

This might have been said already but... you just need to educate yourself on the fundamentals of SMN. Never mind gear, ilvl, melds, etc. You need to grasp the foundations first, and use that as a platform to grow from there.

From looking at your Apr 4th log, it's clear that you have no knowledge of the SMN opener, or rotation, at all. So right away you're putting yourself at a disadvantage. Therefore my suggestion would be to: find and learn said/opener rotation from a guide (I recommend this one as a start: SMN Starter Kit), then practice over and over on a dummy until you can do it without much thought, and then go into content and test yourself there.

[KaldeaSahaline]

Is that my most recent run? Oh, that was a really terrible run for me. I think I died once or twice. But comparison wise, I missed a lot of holy spirits, which I do know I tend to forget about in sword oath. Same with requiscast.

Nah it was from like Mid Feb. You didn't die at all. I chose it to make sure it was as close to a 1:1 comparison as possible (a tenet to ensure good log review).

Looking at it:

• You can see you have too many fast blades and that they don't align with your riot blades
• I didn't show it here, but I'd bet your Goring Blade uptime was a good bit lower than mine too, as evidenced by the fact you cast it less
• Your Riot Blades don't line up with your GB + RA casts
• You missed a staggering number of HS casts and Requiscat
• Poor usage of Sheltron -> Shield Swipe
• Sub-optimal defensive CD usage as well

Now I know that PLD isn't the job you're referencing, but I wanted to just paint a picture that a PLD is actually a pretty mechanically easy job to play, and there's a lot of mistakes here, that will absolutely translate to SMN, which is considerably more in-depth to do well with.

This is just comparing casts too. There's a lot more to look into, but this is a great place to start. To look into where you're missing things.

No entirely. Because if you change the jobs on that link to say monk

You see a very similar pattern where something like an 8-10% difference in damage will throw you up or down 40 percentiles in much the same way it does for a bard. Sam and blm are about the same..

It really doesn't take a lot of lost dps for any number of reasons to have a significant impact. Even being just a few points lower could put you down significantly.

Dzian - is there any reason you ignored my post to you a few pages back? I'd really appreciate it if you'd take the time to read it and respond. It's good for the community to make sure that we don't spread misinformation and I want to help clear up any misconceptions you might have.

[KaivaC]

Good points made

Yea, I'm aware. Like I said before, 4.3k is probably the best I have ever been, and that's a crap log. Hence why I've essentially given up. I know I'm just absolute shite at the job, so rather than beat around the bush and create this false belief that I'll get better, I'm just cutting my losses. If I can't figure out how to play better...well, that just means this isn't for me.

[KaivaC]

Nah it was from like Mid Feb. You didn't die at all. I chose it to make sure it was as close to a 1:1 comparison as possible (a tenet to ensure good log review).

Looking at it:

• You can see you have too many fast blades and that they don't align with your riot blades
• I didn't show it here, but I'd bet your Goring Blade uptime was a good bit lower than mine too, as evidenced by the fact you cast it less
• Your Riot Blades don't line up with your GB + RA casts
• You missed a staggering number of HS casts and Requiscat
• Poor usage of Sheltron -> Shield Swipe
• Sub-optimal defensive CD usage as well

Now I know that PLD isn't the job you're referencing, but I wanted to just paint a picture that a PLD is actually a pretty mechanically easy job to play, and there's a lot of mistakes here, that will absolutely translate to SMN, which is considerably more in-depth to do well with.

This is just comparing casts too. There's a lot more to look into, but this is a great place to start. To look into where you're missing things.

I went PLD because I didn't like the feel of DRK. It wasn't until recently in the last week or so when I actually tried that I started learning the important of lining up those buffs. I don't intend to master PLD, though, but from your analysis...yeah...nvm, you have a point. Too many mistakes on PLD on my end.

[Dzian]

Dzian - is there any reason you ignored my post to you a few pages back? I'd really appreciate it if you'd take the time to read it and respond. It's good for the community to make sure that we don't spread misinformation and I want to help clear up any misconceptions you might have.

missed it.

Firstly let me ask - do you use FFLogs? Do you know how to read it? All of its functions?

From time to time and I would say i'm quite familiar with how it works

This is 100% inaccurate. It will be lower for sure, but it won't be "no where even close". I had plenty of purples where I had a team of 10th percentilers.

In many cases it actually really will be quite a significant impact. if you look at this if you took a 99th percentile player and put him in a random pug or group of 10% players. it's not to unreasonable to suggest that for one reason or another that players dps might be 10% lower. as a result of party compostion buffs usage or even things like player positions causing a few missed gcds. yet that 10% would result in that 99th percentile player ending up right down near 60... which is no where close to 99..

This is also 100% incorrect. FFlogs can tell you all of that if you know where to look and how to read the logs. Every single one of these is captured in the logs and easily viewable.

Ok here I might actually not know something... I'm pretty sure though ACT and thus fflogs doesn't track position or movement and almost certainly cannot log where in an arena an aoe or telegraph is going to hit. nor can fflogs tell you I had to move because the sch was 1 step to my right or something like that ... if I am wrong and it can show this information then please do show me where...

This is also 100% inaccurate. It would not take a 6.5k DPS MNK and make him do 3.25k DPS. Please refrain from spreading misinformation.

ok perhaps bad phrasing. it shouldn't drop a 6k monk to 3k. but it could quite easily drop an 80th percentile player down to the 40th or something similar thus slashing there performance ranking quite significantly..

I'm also not disputing that things like buffs and trick attacks aren't viewable in the logs. what I said was that how they're used in a fight can have a very significant impact on your performance. and thus a good chunk of what makes a players damage in the x% is down to the rest of the party and not actually down to them selves... a party that uses buffs and cooldowns more optimally could easily push your dps up by 8-10% for example. and in most cases that's enough to fly up the percentiles....

I think i'm quite clued with how logs works even if I don't use it regularly... so many things can affect your numbers that it creates an innacurate reading. I could for example play my samurai perfectially in the most optimal way and be the most skilled sam in the game (I'm not) but my sam being I350 instead of i370 for example might is gonna really impact my numbers. and no amount of player skill will ever compensate...

[FeliAiko]

Yea, I'm aware. Like I said before, 4.3k is probably the best I have ever been, and that's a crap log. Hence why I've essentially given up. I know I'm just absolute shite at the job, so rather than beat around the bush and create this false belief that I'll get better, I'm just cutting my losses. If I can't figure out how to play better...well, that just means this isn't for me.

If you've read guides, learned/practiced the opener repeatedly only to then struggle to transfer it into content while handling mechanics then that's one thing. However, if you're just completely winging it, just randomly pressing buttons, with no rhyme or reason behind your decisions, then of course your logs are going to be bad. There is information out there on how to play the Job and get better, but if all you're going to do is just claim you won't get better without even trying then you're not doing yourself any favours. With that mentality, your issues won't just apply to SMN but just about any Job in XIV.

[Squintina]

if you went from 9th percentile for 50th, that's pretty awesome.

You don't need to be like 70+ to be considered "good". Yes the elite players are there, but even being 25+ should still be a decent player.

Especially because percentiles don't necessarily account for differences in ilvl and materia. The elite players have a lot of the best gear now because they've exchanged savage books for upgrades. If you're still doing normals, there will be a big gap just from ilvl alone.

Additionally your team members make a difference too. Your logs are also affected by whether your teammates use things to boost raidwide dps. If you're pugging, you don't know what else you're getting and if other players aren't making effective use of their raidwide boosters, your dps in logs will suffer. If your team members die and you have to adjust in any way (maybe taking on a mech they were supposed to do, or having to spend a gcd/ogcd doing a rez or using a self-heal, anything that you have to deviate from), your logs will be affected.

To illustrate these changes, I'm going to link to my profile:
https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/...s=51&compare=1

See how my Feb 19th run my historical % is 25 (green), whereas if it was ranked today it'd be 15 (gray)? That's because as players have gotten stronger via ilvl, the numbers expected to rank become higher.

See how my April 8th and 10th runs are lower than March 27th? That's because of a change in party members, so I have to adjust more.

Also one fight doesn't illustrate other fight's percentiles. compare the above log (o5s) to my o7s wipes from just yesterday:
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/wB1M7...pe=damage-done
And I suddenly went from being a 50-70 percentile player to a 12th percentile player.

Everything affects your logs. Don't compare yourself to other people too much and don't compare cross-fights. Don't try to assume that your 50 in normal would lead to a far less ranking in Savage.

Compare yourself to your own numbers for the same fight. If you want to know how you'd do in Savage (and treat each fight separately), get logs for that fight.

And most importantly, don't be too harsh on yourself. As long as you are learning the mechs, reading up on rotation every once in a while, and keeping your gear as up to date as you can, then you're doing it right. If you're really worried, you could also go on youtube and look up the fight + your job name + POV.

example: o5s SMN POV

There's usually someone that will have the fight you're doing in the same job you're doing. Slow it down, study it (try to get their name and check their logs too), and if you think they're ok and you play similarly, then you're ok too.

When you do look at other player logs
don't get hung up on percentiles. You want to learn from other players, not feel inferior (or superior) to them.

Here are things that helped me in using fflogs to make myself a better player:
1 - Casts tab: active % and CPM
Active % = how much you're hitting your GCDs. Ideally you want to be 90+%, but heavy-mech fights might be 85%. If you're learning a fight, it might be 70%. If you're under 70 consistently, and other players in your job are not, that's an issue with not hitting buttons enough.

One example of that is when dodging. Casters sometimes forget to keep attacking while dodging. That's when that Instant Ruin really helps out.

CPM - casts per minute (make sure you compare to the SAME job)
That's how many skills you use. 2 players could have the same active % and drasticially different CPM depending on how many oGCDs are used.
Having a lot less CPM usually means a rotation problem when it comes to weaving in ogcds.

2 - Debuffs tab (change to "Enemies")
Find your dots, see what the uptime is. See other player's uptime. Ideally you want to be as close to 100% as possible, but mechs can influence that (for example o5 has a whole section of not being able to target the boss. Can't keep uptime on something that's not nearby, so the uptime is always lower in o5 than other fights)

3 - Casts tab again, click on your name
Compare how much you used your skills. If you see a drastically different number of used skills compared to someone else, that's usually a rotation issue.

4 - Replay
If you find a player whose stats you like, use the Replay feature and see what skills they used in real time!

For you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgjBnChIi4U
(that's o5S SMN, the player in the video is a top player)

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/4yxTt...=7&view=replay
Same player as the above video, for the same fight. Pick "Bronch Osaur" on the bottom right. Then click "Play" on the bottom left.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...y0TrCa0qg/edit
Summoner guide

Opener choice 1: http://ffxivrotations.com/1980 (sicfrit non-pet swap)
Opener choice 2: http://ffxivrotations.com/1dnq (bahamut)
Opener choice 3: http://ffxivrotations.com/197t (pet swap bahamut)
Bahamut non-opener rotation: http://ffxivrotations.com/197n

[KaivaC]

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Okay...there just comes a point where even I just get tired of hearing how much I suck. I am aware of it. Said it multiple times. I inspected my logs and looked at what I did. It definitely is in no way optimized, true. Nor is it anywhere close to being good enough to say I'm an average player. But I did look and I did comparison to some others. But suggesting that I don't know a thing about SMN is incredibly unfair to say. It was suggested that I start out with Garuda-Egi, and then Painflare into double Fester to quickly gain my DWT as my opener. That's what I did. Perhaps it is because you are a much better SMN than I am at the moment, but I do not 'know nothing' about SMN.