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  1. #15481
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    Anarnee's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Thyn'a Sindyrl
    World
    Siren
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 100
    So I am running another alt through SB, and I got her to Castrum Abania. I love this dungeon. I have a lot of good memories, and bad ones from it. I've run it while leveling every job in the past, so I've done it A LOT

    I guess I should have expected something about this run to be wrong when it took me 20 mins to queue as a PLD.

    That's just unnatural.

    I get in and the party is a SCH, MNK and SCH.

    I get to it, and it seems ok at first, if not a little slow. We only manage to kill one of the Hypertuned pod things, I think that's about when I realize something is wrong. Generally even the worst groups can kill two.

    The second fight is when I start to loose my patience.

    People don't stand in the towers. People don't switch elements. We wipe. I explain the fight and everyone one agrees, as if they hadn't just mucked it up a bunch but whatever.

    It's here that I really take note that the SCH is having trouble keeping up with the healing. I'm building MP for Clemency CONSTANTLY. The BLM dies to EVERY SINGLE element change, and because the DPS is low, we see a lot of them. I take the time to look at everyones info. No one is new. The BLM had THREE 70s, the MNK was a Mentor and the SCH had multiple 70s too.

    I keep comments to myself and try to stay positive as we continue.

    We wipe to the middle set of adds on the bridge and I just blank face. The heal literally just didn't heal me. Whatever, we get to the last boss.

    The SCH doesn't esuna the bleed, the DPS ignore the adds and we wipe at 2%.

    Whatever... We'll clean it up and do better.

    Every run after this gets worst and worst. I'm still having to heal myself a ton to help the healer. At this point I'm thinking maybe I gear isn't good enough. I'm ILV 279, which seemed fine to me. I've done is as a PLD/WAR/DRK a lot before, I've never had this much trouble. I'm popping cool downs. I'm doing my best and more than most would!

    Still we wipe two more times and end up vote abandoning. I peeked at the SCHs gear before they did and realized they were the ones undergeared.

    I was so mad. 20 mins in queue and then over 60 mins in there. WASTED.

    I almost just went to sleep, but I really want to get this girl through the story. So I breathe, and queue again.

    It's an instant pop.

    WHM, NIN, MNK. The first person to speak up is the WHM, whom says they are new.

    I grumble at them that it can't be worst than my last run and spend a good deal of it venting to them about they last run.

    Not a single wipe, and not a single death.

    It all goes perfectly, the dps is good, there is no struggle with the healing...

    ;; and they all commed my bitter behind...
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  2. #15482
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    Karl0217's Avatar
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    Apr 2018
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    Ul'dah
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    Character
    Koh'a Ganajai
    World
    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mhaeric View Post
    RDM, BLM, MCH, BRD, and SAM all have AoE at level 18 which is early enough to use in all content.
    True but I was thinking of character classes a brand new player could pick right off the bat. RDM and SAM require you getting another class up to level 50 first. MCH requires level 50 in another class and access to Ishgard.
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  3. #15483
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    Namallama's Avatar
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    Levenin Refure
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 70
    Ohhhh boy. I was doing my usual Tuesday pug clears for O5S and O6S, and PF is often a gamble as you all know. Some weeks, we'd clear in an hour. Others, it took literally all damn day and I died on the inside.

    However, I dunno what it is about today but PF is godawful. Lemme tell you the tale of 3 encounters, as your humble elven bard guide. These were all for Chardarnook.

    *ahem*

    Incident 1:

    Two tanks joined together. Probably friends or in the same FC. Sweet! Tanks were sparse today and that seemed like a stroke of luck. Go in, tank pulls before we can establish colors. And guess what? We couldn't summon the siren because no one had claimed blue or black. But it's an easy fix. NOPE. Tanks left immediately after that. One wipe. Okay.

    Incident 2:

    Now this is the funniest one. A tank joins, a PLD we'll refer to as Pig (he had the full pig suit on), and we pop in. We notice he has like 30k hp, lower than the healers. "Did you queue in the wrong gear?" we ask him reasonably. "What do you think?" he replies. I mean, I HAVE NO CLUE LOL. Co-tank leaves right after so we gotta go back into PF.

    "That guy would've been toxic anyway," says Pig. "You don't wanna party with people who immediately bail."

    Party is pissed because we've been waiting a while for a tank to join, and this guy's shenanigans drove off the second one. "I'm gonna do it again for the next one, to weed out toxic players," says Pig.

    "Wait... You're gonna queue again in crap armor?" was my next response.

    "Yeah, trust me. It's better like this."

    Literally back and forth about him "weeding out bad players you don't wanna play with." I kicked him because he's trolling and he's an idiot if he thinks there's a righteous cause here. Party was happy, despite meaning we'd be waiting again.

    Like 20 minutes later, I get this:




    There is... SO much here to talk about lol. I thought Pig was just trolling, right? But why would a troll come back and show me this shit? Unless he was genuinely offended, and thought he was doing good in the game by playing GM and getting rid of undesirables? Like, he showed me a parse for a DPS CLASS so one, the comparison is already lost because tank and DPS are clearly not the same thing. And then him saying "gray WAR" implies he went out of his way to find the other tank's parses online to use them as a negative talking point.

    Is this real life? Who seriously cares this much? I ended up blocking him because... I mean why? I hope he didn't go on to trap someone else's party.

    Incident 3:

    Nothing will compare to incident 2 but I'm including it because in Savage tier, you'd think people know their move sets, right? Nope. In comes a tank who mitigates absolutely nothing. And he blamed the healers for not keeping up. The literal epitome of "healers adjust." He was MT too, so you can imagine how that went.

    (Spoiler: it went fuckin' nowhere lol)

    Healers did a pretty decent job of keeping up a tank who refused to use his CDs, and we cleared just fine once he was gone.

    God, I want a static so bad. I'm so sick of pugs. ;u;
    (7)
    Last edited by Namallama; 04-11-2018 at 10:27 AM.

    Saskia Ljosalfr - SCH/BRD - Midgardsormr | Levenin Refure - AST - Balmung
    M'ihrima Ulei - WHM - Balmung

  4. #15484
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    Quote Originally Posted by Namallama View Post
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    Jeez...I really feel for you. That Pig PLD deserved to be kicked. I really hope it's not someone I know...given we're on the same datacentre, it's likely I ran into them in their normal gear...but yeah, while I won't outright kick them, I'll be wary if I ever run into someone like that. You did good...I'd have suggested kicking them too.
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  5. #15485
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    Pells's Avatar
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    P'lha Tahl
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Namallama View Post
    I thought Pig was just trolling, right? But why would a troll come back and show me this shit?
    You were already aware he was trolling; that should be answer enough.

    Keep in mind that contacting you after you kicked him out in order to continue causing you misery can be seen as harassment. I'd hope you reported his behavior. Let the GMs play GM.
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    Oooh, shiney...

  6. #15486
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    VanilleFang's Avatar
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    Estellise Valesti
    World
    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 70
    Just a quick post before I head to bed about some great Susano EX runs I had tonight

    Moro Murasaki and I briefly discussed how we missed running Susan EX so we jumped into a clear party for fun. Turns out the group was ridiculous good so we decided to turn it into a clear party with 1 tank and 5 DPS.

    After a few runs we got Cassandra Solidor to join us and we ended up clearing a total of 10 times. It was really fun and everyone was friendly and there was a lot of joking around. Got a few new friends out of it too! Why can't more PFs be like this?

    Side note: Cass stole the doggo drop from me so now I'm mad at them 4real.
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  7. #15487
    Player MoroMurasaki's Avatar
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    Moro Murasaki
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    Zalera
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    Just a quick post before I head to bed about some great Susano EX runs I had tonight

    Moro Murasaki and I briefly discussed how we missed running Susan EX so we jumped into a clear party for fun. Turns out the group was ridiculous good so we decided to turn it into a clear party with 1 tank and 5 DPS.

    After a few runs we got Cassandra Solidor to join us and we ended up clearing a total of 10 times. It was really fun and everyone was friendly and there was a lot of joking around. Got a few new friends out of it too! Why can't more PFs be like this?

    Side note: Cass stole the doggo drop from me so now I'm mad at them 4real.
    It was such a good time! I mean, yeah, I'm now awake at 4:30 am because of it but that's a small price to pay for such a good of experience. Plus meeting people who not only want to farm EX primals but are good at it is a rarity.

    Yay late night shenanigans! \o/
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  8. #15488
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    Lilseph's Avatar
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    Shadow Link
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    Mateus
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Namallama View Post
    A PLD we'll refer to as Pig (he had the full pig suit on)
    My experience with people dressed as pigs is usually bad. ; ; Dunno why.

    I hope you get a static so you can stop dying a little every week!
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  9. #15489
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    KaldeaSahaline's Avatar
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    Kaldea Sahaline
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Namallama View Post
    Incident 3:

    Nothing will compare to incident 2 but I'm including it because in Savage tier, you'd think people know their move sets, right? Nope. In comes a tank who mitigates absolutely nothing. And he blamed the healers for not keeping up. The literal epitome of "healers adjust." He was MT too, so you can imagine how that went.
    I was looking through your logs to try and find it (as I don't think I've ever truly seen a "mitigates nothing" tank before and wanted to verify it.

    Because of the way the log was uploaded it's a little tricky to pinpoint (wipes aren't segregated), can you tell me the initials (no need for name/witchhunt) and job? This way I can make sure I am looking at the correct info.
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  10. #15490
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    Namallama's Avatar
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    Levenin Refure
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by KaldeaSahaline View Post
    Because of the way the log was uploaded it's a little tricky to pinpoint (wipes aren't segregated), can you tell me the initials (no need for name/witchhunt) and job? This way I can make sure I am looking at the correct info.
    Unfortunately I don't remember either off the top of my head... I'm trying to find it as well but not sure how to access reports of fights where we didn't clear. I might have to get back to you later and find his name in-game, on the contacts/recent party members list. I do remember they had a kind of a long first name that started with E.

    Both healers and a DPS in the group claimed he wasn't really mitigating much at all, and considering he folded like tissue paper to many of the tankbusters, I'm willing to take their word for it. We had a few aggro issues as well (but that may have been a different group, they all blended together after a while). I could always be wrong and maybe the healers weren't that great, but we cleared with them just fine after we found new tanks. It's really weird, haha.

    EDIT: The log I'm looking through isn't even the one I uploaded. It was uploaded by someone else... That's weird, I know I put one up there last night.
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    Last edited by Namallama; 04-12-2018 at 02:23 AM.

    Saskia Ljosalfr - SCH/BRD - Midgardsormr | Levenin Refure - AST - Balmung
    M'ihrima Ulei - WHM - Balmung

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