I miss the old PvP.

[Divinemights]

The pvp is already dying just look at the que times, this is death sentence if they not change something immediately.

Well, there is Eureka and they gave the tome too

[Harka12]

Well, there is Eureka and they gave the tome too

This Eureka thins is pvp? Im new and not reach lvl 70 yet.

[FelipePF]

I only got to PvP in stormblood and seeing you guys talk about the old PvP makes me want to play that so badly . There are so few skills on nowadays PvP, it's weird

[Newmanxeno]

This new map and rules really makes me miss the old style now.

[RydiaFey]

I feel the same way. I wish 8v8 was still a thing. >.> ...

[MilanFrozen]

I dont miss some old pvp aspects, but I find new pvp to have gotten boring very quickly. There just aren't enough buttons to press as caveman as that sounds. Also I liked a lot of the pvp only abilities.

[Ryannex]

I feel the same way. I wish 8v8 was still a thing. >.> ...

I disagree with this, because this is exactly how I feel the new 4v4 is. 8V8 was just a fast paced cluster of people diving in, hitting eachother until something dies, getting boxes if they randomly hit them, and having no true team-factor or tactic-based strategy. To me, this is what the new 4v4 is. It's literally just hit eachother with your 8 buttons until something dies. There's no way to communicate tactics, no real team effort, and as a solo player there's rarely anything you can do to 'carry' a game despite how skilled you are. With the addition of people raising on the spot they died in, there is no more retreat and, as such, it becomes merely 5 minutes of consistant fighting with no respite or way to think.

Alongside this, light medals punish the team who wins insanely. Get 3 kills very close to the beginning because you're team is simply better/more co-ordinated? Well, tough. Now the enemy team has 4 minutes of vuln down and you have 4 minutes of vuln up. Even as an amazing healer you will simply just run out of MP. It's gotten to the point where it's more valuable to lose the majority of your medals at the beginning and then just steal them at the end.

[FelipePF]

I disagree with this, because this is exactly how I feel the new 4v4 is. 8V8 was just a fast paced cluster of people diving in ...

Yeah, I have lost so many games that was "won" cause my tank that was carrying almost all the medals died with 20 seconds left. But I kinda disagree with one thing, for me, if you're good you can help a lot in winning the game, not carry it alone, but your chances of winning is higher then the average player.

[rxnin]

SE should add an "Unlocked" PVP mode, where we can play all the maps/modes with our full job abilities, like it was back in 3.0.

[RydiaFey]

I disagree with this, because this is exactly how I feel the new 4v4 is. 8V8 was just a fast paced cluster of people diving in, hitting eachother until something dies, getting boxes if they randomly hit them, and having no true team-factor or tactic-based strategy. To me, this is what the new 4v4 is. It\\\\'s literally just hit eachother with your 8 buttons until something dies.

Op was talking about PvP when we had all of our abilities, not just 8v8 in the new mode. And I agreed with him/her.

About your other points... Okay, I don't disagree really but... I still miss 8v8 as a (less competitive, less personal) PvP mode... I'm sorry 4v4 got gimped, but at least it didn't just get straight up deleted -.-