Bunny outfits for men, not a cryptid!

[MoroMurasaki]

It's the truth. Now that they actually did it, watching all the people shocked at what they got and desperately trying to make a version attractive to and will be worn by straights is pretty humorous. I think its perfectly fine they did it the way they did it. I do think a lot of people got a bit of an education in what happens when you ask for something, though.

Okay, let's take a moment to review why what you're saying is not okay.


There are plenty of masculine gay men out in the world with absolutely zero interest in wearing women's clothing. Saying this is "the gays" is painting with too wide a brush.

Calling people "straights" is literally no better than calling people "gays", you're assuming common ground across a sexuality that you just aren't going to find all the time.

You're needlessly offending people and not making any points. You're contributing nothing to this discussion. You're spreading ideas that frankly don't need any more traction than they already have. You're derailing the topic. Stop, please, this mess doesn't need to be worse and it certainly doesn't have to broaden to drag in irl lgbt issues.

[Reila_Circus]

The mandatory "blame Balmung" post.

Yes, and?

[Tridus]

Well, then you are going to have fun telling me who exactly wanted this bunny suit now that I am wrong, since everyone seems to be horrified it exists, lol. As for contrarian voices, eh no one wants those.

The people who kept asking for it? They're out there. Those requests didn't come from nowhere. Other people didn't want it and don't like it, which is true of basically everything except the Carbuncle slippers. (those things are weaponized adorable)

The idea that it was "the gays" is foolish. We have no way of knowing that, and no community that size is homogeneous enough to have a single opinion on anything.

[DreadRabbit]

Well this devolved quickly. Whoo boy.

It's especially jarring when you consider pieces of gear like the coliseum chestpiece. That does a good job at showing off the male form in a way that is sexy and conventionally attractive. I'd also point to games such as Overwatch and Soul Calibur as examples of fan service done well for male characters. McCree's lifeguard outfit is very easy on the eyes and shows off a lot of his physique. In one of the recent trailers for Soul Calibur 6, meanwhile, Mitsurugi loses more and more of his armour during battle and he's, uh, packing in his loincloth...and his muscles are shown off pretty nicely.

I'm tired of so much focus being placed on feminine gear/hairstyle options for male characters in FFXIV.

As a Soul Calibur fan: YES! Like don't just study other games to figure out the combat mechanics and QoL stuff you want in the game. Study other games to check out their take on character designs!

I mean...even within Final Fantasy games themselves, the men have always rode that line between macho and traditional effeminate beauty. But they still look masculine. I mean look at the Dissidia design for Cecil: despite being beautiful enough to put women to shame, there's no denying he's a man. Now look at men like Jecht, Sephiroth, or even some of the good guys like Snow, Squall, etc. There's already examples from the franchise of varying degrees of masculinity that all work that many men and women find highly attractive. Use those ideas as inspiration.

[RiyahArp]

Okay, let's take a moment to review why what you're saying is not okay.

No, it's not okay because at this rate we're just going to erase the people who actually wanted this in favor of everyone else who is horrified they actually did it, because it's not attractive to them. I'll try to use blander language, but if you were serious about wanting an actual male bunny suit, you had to know that implementing it would tend to the drag and the camp. These concepts simply aren't attractive to the mainstream of people. The bunny archetype is probably one of the least male-friendly ones out there in a mainstream sense; I only know of a handful of male characters who even use it, one ridiculous (rabbit from zodiac wars) and one who just has bunny ears tacked on (the rabbit character from Alice in the land of Clover, who wears a full suit with ears on the hat.) Use it in the same way as the suit; many just essentially would have made it into the equivalent of a moogle or pig suit, i.e. stuffed animal. The mainstream really doesn't seem to link this archetype with men in the same way it does with women, which leads to dissonance when some do.

And this mainstream is very much in this thread pointing out why it is not attractive to them. This is okay, because everyone has that right. But we apparently can't even say who did mostly find this attractive enough to push for it, and who will wear it in game. This is going to lead to "oh, everyone is horrified it exists, delete balmung." It reminds you that you really exist on the sufferance of the mainstream community, who despite not wanting this and not finding it attractive, is trying to push for things that will be that way.

This bunny suit is fine, the audience who asked for it will enjoy it and like it. The people who don't, well, next time you want something attractive to you, don't try to hitch onto something that by nature isn't, ask for your own things.

[Iplewhelmed]

I, for one, am extatic about this outfit finally being available for men and I will happily grind MGP for my male characters to wear it. Cheers!

[Moomba33]

Well, I'm glad they finally made something after so much time.
Since they weren't going to change the design I'm puzzled they didn't just release the ears earlier to appease people while they worked on the rest of the outfit since I doubt that would have taken much time in modeling adjustments.

Earliest reference to the male bunny suit being worked on I could find is a Japanese interview from 2016: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...5217-MAN-BUNNY
Some races were confirmed to be done sometime in 2017: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-Bunny-Outfit
And the fan requests have been around since the female outfits were added in 2015: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Boys-Please-3

Even if it was a side project it's crazy how long this took to get done.

[MoroMurasaki]

No, it's not okay because at this rate we're just going to erase the people who actually wanted this in favor of everyone else who is horrified they actually did it, because it's not attractive to them. I'll try to use blander language, but if you were serious about wanting an actual male bunny suit, you had to know that implementing it would tend to the drag and the camp, which favors a certain audience. This audience finds things attractive that it isn't popular for the mainstream.

I feel like I need to put "I don't care about the bunny suit" in my signature for the duration of this thread. Not your fault I know, I'm just tired of typing it.

My only problem is that you're still trying to make this an issue that has it's roots in a certain sexuality. It isn't. The more typically masculine glams like the ones Miste put up or the pictures of buff, shirtless men appeal to anyone into buff, shirtless men. That includes a lot of gay men but also a lot of straight women.

This isn't a matter of you using 'spicy' language but rather of you trying to pawn off the interest in this on gay people. We have seen even in this very thread people from multiple demographics dissatisfied with the bunny suit that came out, some people intending to use it for humorous purposes and some people who are fans of it. I'm willing to bet not all of any of those camps belong to one combo of gay man or straight woman or whatever.

Different people like different things. Implying gay people like men in womens clothing is like saying straight men like women in feminine clothing - sure, some do. Some like tomboys. Some women like women in feminine clothing too. There are lots of different groups of people who have a stake in this. That is the point I'm trying to make you see.

Stereotypes are dumb.

[Vstarstruck]

Did they really put clothing that was molded for female shape and jsut slapped it on male body? is this some kind of delayed April fool prank?

*looks for official announcement*

Edit:
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/
didn't find anything

[Zathurain]

Am I???? The only one??? who actually prefers that the male bunny suit is exactly the same as the female version??? To me it actually looks like something attractive and I feel like if they'd changed it to be more masculine then it would look ridiculous... Though at the same time I happen to find men in feminine clothing attractive so who knows.

Now when do the guys get dresses? Gimme. Now.