Do you guys think we need to have Maat back?

[Vaer]

I remember doing the WHM one with an earth staff using vile elixirs before they added Repose. (You could cheese it by just sleeping him after that.)

I don't think their game design philosophy supports it though. Some of the class quests they could probably tune to be pretty hard, but if you die enough times they just give you echo and you already have brilliant conviction for some of them by default (scaling regen that heals for more the lower your hp is). Not to mention the jump potions will eventually just let you bypass it anyway.

[Vstarstruck]

You haven't try lvl 70 Ranger with him then, it is duel or die.
He certainly would undergoes mechanic change if he is back to FF14.
A redesign of a very challenge mirror fight.

lol.. ranger was not hard
blink/sleep tp > use abilities > sidewinder/slug> tp wing > sidewinder/slug> release barrage > eagle eye shot (if necessary, i/e still alive after barrage)

I heard nightmares about rdm's maat fight but if I remember right the strategy for most jobs was a bit the same right? Opo-opo necklace, sleep pots, two hour, pray lol

Only did about three of his fights not including thf's before he became unsync'd content in the current XI so I imagine my memories could be skewed. I would love a tough fight to prove class mastery but again that would cause so much crying on here I can hear it already

Most maat fights where not hard if you knew what to do, most melee was easy being a generic blink band > sleep for tp > >buffs> ws > tp wing > ws (most benefited from self sc) use 2 hr/ other abilities.

RDM maat was hard in a sense people where not in the right mindset to beat it. Most people, esp when FFXI was newer, played rdm as a melee /caster hybrid, and you can't really beat maat like that unless you had some insane setup most people wouldn't have. Typically you needed sleep and nuke, something out of most people's comfort zone/ mentality.

With that said, I think FFXIV could use the idea from it, having some kind of trial of "You know your basics, can queue for expert now" or something of the sort. The style of FFXI's maat would not even do that, as said it was easy if you prepared correctly.

[Sarynth]

The blue mage version of maat was awesome, but yeah what others said people would be non-stop crying "too hard plz nerf dis". Can't have challenging content in xiv because of that crowd.

[Souljacker]

Well, there isn't any one character like Maat, but there's certainly break point challenges as you go that you need to complete to get all your class's abilities. Some are more difficult than others, sure. And yes, I'm sure some of you perfect players that have never hit a wrong button ever somehow mastered every single one on your very first try because they were so easy and everyone should just git gud.

For the rest of us scrubs, the breaks were kind of nice content even if it was a strange balance between dodge\kite\nuke for some of them.

XI limit breaks were interesting content. Rdm was the most challenging and I remember players spending weeks preparing by fighting Ruby Quadav in Beaudeax. That was more of a sleep\nuke strategy and the challenge was landing sleep on Maat. Folks would go in naked and put gear on later, have a stash of specific potions to be used at specific times - it was a real event in and of itself.

Could it work here? My gut says no, because there really two kinds of players here now:

1. New players that are used to other methodology and wouldn't appreciate performing so much work for one incremental increase
2. Old players that actually already did that and maybe would appreciate it more, but don't particularly want to revisit XI event-for-event

SE is in a tough juggling spot here and I don't envy them this position. No matter what they've introduced, it seems like one half or the other is out for blood.

[CrystalRainbow]

I liked the challenge of the level cap quest but they don't have a place in ffxiv, with job quest being a challenge for some.

My 70 mnk quest still isn't done but that's because most of my gear is 60.

If I had 70 weapons for mnk I'm sure I could finish it.

[Souljacker]

I liked the challenge of the level cap quest but they don't have a place in ffxiv, with job quest being a challenge for some.

My 70 mnk quest still isn't done but that's because most of my gear is 60.

If I had 70 weapons for mnk I'm sure I could finish it.

Just a note - MNK is the job I was talking about with the weird balance there. There was at least one quest in that chain that I couldn't see any way to complete it that didn't involve kiting, and my gear was level-appropriate. Some of the design is strange for these quests. When all else fails, try kiting.

[RitsukoSonoda]

I wouldn't have it gate a level cap on this game however if it offered a job related reward + something else if you cleared all of them I would be all for it. Granted the only reason I wouldn't have it gate level progression on this game is just because I don't want to see the flood of people crying over it because it actually requires effort and they cant have other people carry them through it. Example being one of the recent MSQs.

[Lilseph]

I'll echo what other people already say. I'd like to have him here, but in order to honor his presence in XIV, they need to make him somewhat difficult. Difficulty and XIV don't mix well together outside of Savage, Ultimate and Ex trials, specially if you're going to tie him to a crucial path of progression. The rants will be relentless. Let's not forget that it's because of these rants that they nerfed Steps of Faith (And Pharos Sirius, but there was more to it).

It would be nice to introduce him as a nod to the fans in a future cross-over event, like they did with Shantotto and Iroha.

[Narangerel]

Sounds like the thing WoW had in MoP or WoD. You needed at least a Silver to be able to queue for heroics, and what happened? Either people couldn't do it, or the ones who did STILL didn't know how to play their class.

Roadblocking does not work, all it means is that people will be permanently barred from content or people will barely pass it and you will still find yourself in groups with these people in the end.

[Divinemights]

Sounds like the thing WoW had in MoP or WoD. You needed at least a Silver to be able to queue for heroics, and what happened? Either people couldn't do it, or the ones who did STILL didn't know how to play their class.

Roadblocking does not work, all it means is that people will be permanently barred from content or people will barely pass it and you will still find yourself in groups with these people in the end.

It would gives them initiate to do some re-search about their job at least.
It is better than not doing anything, i think