Surprisingly, The outdated MMO is WOW, not FFXI/XIV1.2

[Sesera]

Oh another boring, lonely day
maybe I should watch an anime on the second monitor while playing?or, Take A Break?

How about uninstalling the game since you don't like it instead of bragging about how a game that almost noone ever plays or one that was considered as a failure were so much better than a game with still million of players over more than 10 years?

[ShanXiv]

How about uninstalling the game since you don't like it instead of bragging about how a game that almost noone ever plays or one that was considered as a failure were so much better than a game with still million of players over more than 10 years?

Yes, maybe "Take a break" or never come back are the real solutions to this game.
they only reason I keep paying sub its because I've 3 medium & 3 large houses, but I am not really interested in playing a Barbie game....

It's not even updated to ARR tbh, it's just a lowest common denominator so that it looks bad and hollow, which frankly it's not fair and a terrible ground to make a discussion

I dunno why I keep playing this game, maybe I missed the people in XIV1.1x so much, & don't want to lose the houses.
I don't understand why this game stays in Single Player + Super Easy(almost insulting) mode,
MHW, Zelda, GTA, COD, Nier, FF, DQ, Witcher3, Yoshida's Bomberman, those famous games have the Normal difficulty, none of these games are like FFXIV 2.0

[Krotoan]

Yes, maybe "Take a break" or never come back are the real solutions to this game.
they only reason I keep paying sub its because I've 3 medium & 3 large houses, but I am not really interested in playing a Barbie game....

I dunno why I keep playing this game, maybe I missed the people in XIV1.1x so much, & don't want to lose the houses.
I don't understand why this game stays in Single Player + Super Easy(almost insulting) mode,
MHW, Zelda, GTA, COD, Nier, FF, DQ, Witcher3, Yoshida's Bomberman, those famous games have the Normal difficulty, none of these games are like FFXIV 2.0

Is this what you do for fun? Get on the forums and try to tell the people that enjoy the game that they're EZ mode and should want the insanity that was 1.* back? I mean.. I don't pay your sub but this has got to be one of the weirder ways to get your moneys worth. The more you talk the more you seem like a troll.
"Ive got 6 houses ..."
"not interested in playing a barbie game.. "
"I dunno why I keep playing.. "
"none of these games are like FFXIV"
... Cool? If you don't like it stop! paying even the small amount that a sub costs when you don't enjoy any part of it is pretty silly. We don't need you telling us our game is inferior to the things you think are better, it's not going to change our minds.

GO HAVE FUN! IF THIS ISN'T FUN WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?

[Remedi]

I dunno why I keep playing this game, maybe I missed the people in XIV1.1x so much, & don't want to lose the houses.
I don't understand why this game stays in Single Player + Super Easy(almost insulting) mode,
MHW, Zelda, GTA, COD, Nier, FF, DQ, Witcher3, Yoshida's Bomberman, those famous games have the Normal difficulty, none of these games are like FFXIV 2.0

You see there's nothing wrong about not liking a game anymore, I quit wow after 12 years and won't come back, maybe in the future I'll drop FF too I don't know, point is that if you don't like the game and the direction it is going you should do what believe it's best for you and there's nothing wroing about it.

[Nestama]

I think it's safe to say OP is a troll at this point. They completely ignored your quote and went on their own tangent unrelated to what you said (regarding BLM). Doing a quick search of their other character in the image they posted on the previous page, they haven't done/cleared Extreme Primals since Ravana Extreme and haven't cleared the 4th floors of the Alexander and 'Scape bosses.

I only bring the last part up because of their "this game is super easy (almost insulting)" comment and that's assuming that character is their main.

[ShanXiv]

I think it's safe to say OP is a troll at this point. They completely ignored your quote and went on their own tangent unrelated to what you said (regarding BLM). Doing a quick search of their other character in the image they posted on the previous page, they haven't done/cleared Extreme Primals since Ravana Extreme and haven't cleared the 4th floors of the Alexander and 'Scape bosses.

I only bring the last part up because of their "this game is super easy (almost insulting)" comment and that's assuming that character is their main.

Sorry my English is not good,
Yes the BLM rotation had been improved since 2.0 beta,but it still miss the XI/XIV1.1x"elemental wheel",well this is not a big issue, I am ok with it.
same to the Toto-Rak dungeon nerf, it's just some "small issues"

but if there many of these "small issues",then I think there are some issues

You said I ignore your points (sorry),but how about you? you said I didn't raid.
because I have mentioned in my first post:I don't want somethings that is too easy ,or raid like a second job.
I used to be a very hardcore raider in WOW, I had joined some top 3 guilds in my region(asia),but now I don't have that time,and don't want to play some "jump rope" things again,
I love RPG,roleplaying games, I've played many RPGs since SNES, PS1 SS, I've played FF since FF4, that's why I am here,
I love exploration, the adventures, play with other people in a MMORPG, these stuff are & should be very normal in a MMORPG.

I hope there are some mid-core contents (& I think most people do), some medium difficulties, like the content in XIV1.1x-1.2x (again ,not 1.0! 1.0 had not content)

I had some hope (not much) on Eureka. I think its one step in the right direction ,
Yoshida do hear us, so please don't tell us: "shut up & Go" or "Take a break" , or saying someone is trolling
this is unkind, isn't it?, I've play XIV since 2010,it's been 8 yrs,
no one was saying:"you are trolling" or "shut up & leave", or "take a break", during XIV1.1x-1.2x, the XIV 1.1x-1.2x community is simply better,people were more kind and polite in XIV1.1x--1.2x........the community of 2.0-4.0 is more like the WOW community,which I don't like too...

I've played WOW for 6-7yrs, ,stopped playing it during Woltk.
After I played XIV1.1x, I became a die-hard XIV fan & hate WOW immediately,
there are something very special in XIV1.1x-1.2x (& XI?).. people were enthusiastic & like to help others,they were kind & lovely

[Altena]

Sorry my English is not good,
Yes the BLM rotation had been improved since 2.0 beta,but it still miss the XI/XIV1.1x"elemental wheel",well this is not a big issue, I am ok with it.

HAHAHAHA.. Don't kid yourself... XIV 1.0 BLM was so stupidly simplistic.

Single target? Thunder > Thundara > Thundaga > Thunder > Thundara > Thundaga
AoE? Fire > Fira > Firaga (Or simply Flare burn)

same to the Toto-Rak dungeon nerf, it's just some "small issues"

Toto-Rak was still as mindnumblingly boring to run as 2.x.. The major difference being that you could pick and choose which Diremite to kill. All 3 of them had very few mechanics and didn't change an awful lot between them.
You are kidding yourself if you believe the 1.x fights & dungeons were more complicated than fights in 2.x and beyond.

I mean take Coincounter as a side by side comparison.. Do you not remember standing in the one safe spot with the rest of your entire party (aside from tank) as a BLM and just thunder-burning it down, without having to move at all?
The only mechanics anyone had to deal with was the tank dodging Swipe & Swing.

Ifrit Extreme is another example. The thing that made that fight difficult was the clunky combat system, lag and animation lock. The mechanics of "the hardest fight in the game" in 1.0 was put down to bad latency and poor combat design. If that's your idea of a good game, then you just don't belong in the ARR reboot. (And yes, I played through 1.0 and did all of the end game content. One of the few linkshells that went into ARR with multiple relics).

You said I ignore your points (sorry),but how about you? you said I didn't raid.
because I have mentioned in my first post:I don't want somethings that is too easy ,or raid like a second job.

But you're complaining about things being too easy. You cannot comment on the game being "too easy" without doing the content that is designed to be reasonably challenging.

I hope there are some mid-core contents (& I think most people do), some medium difficulties, like the content in XIV1.1x-1.2x (again ,not 1.0! 1.0 had not content)

I mean, there is.....

[ShanXiv]

HAHAHAHA.. Don't kid yourself... XIV 1.0 BLM was so stupidly simplistic.

Single target? Thunder > Thundara > Thundaga > Thunder > Thundara > Thundaga
AoE? Fire > Fira > Firaga (Or simply Flare burn)




Toto-Rak was still as mindnumblingly boring to run as 2.x.. The major difference being that you could pick and choose which Diremite to kill. All 3 of them had very few mechanics and didn't change an awful lot between them.
You are kidding yourself if you believe the 1.x fights & dungeons were more complicated than fights in 2.x and beyond.

I mean take Coincounter as a side by side comparison.. Do you not remember standing in the one safe spot with the rest of your entire party (aside from tank) as a BLM and just thunder-burning it down, without having to move at all?
The only mechanics anyone had to deal with was the tank dodging Swipe & Swing.



But you're complaining about things being too easy. You cannot comment on the game being "too easy" without doing the content that is designed to be reasonably challenging.



I mean, there is.....

again I am not saying the 1.0 BLM
SE had reworked the combat system twice during 1.1x-1.2
I don't like the 1.18(or 1.19? forgot) combat system too, ,but I started having fun in the 1.2x combat system

I don't refuse very easy stuff, as someone said before, it added some texture to the game,
but it shouldn't be everywhere

[Altena]

again I am not saying the 1.0 BLM
SE had reworked the combat system twice during 1.1x-1.2
I don't like the 1.18(or 1.19? forgot) combat system too, ,but I started having fun in the 1.2x combat system

Yes they did. And the combat system I am talking about (using BLM as the example) is the final build. (1.2+ which is the one you seem to praise).
Do you not remember how braindead BLM was to play? I am using this example as it's the example you decided to point out.

The combat was quite literally - stand in the same spot and do not move.
Spam Thunder > Thundara > Thundaga over and over.. If you are about to pull hate cast Freeze.
Repeat.

Beginning to wonder if you even remember 1.x at all...

I don't refuese some very easy stuff, as someone said before, it added some texture to the game,
but it should'nt be everywhere

Have you completed a single 8-man raid?
Have you even beaten a primal while it was relevant?

I will repeat myself.. You can't cry for more difficult content if you haven't even attempted the current content that is deemed difficult.
Some did, and that is what birthed Ultimate.
I am yet to hear people say "Ultimate was too easy"...

If you actually bothered to read my earlier post about half way through this thread you would have noitced my comment on accessibility.
Not everyone can play to ultimate or raid level difficulty.
The bar is set low to increase accessibility.
That accessibility is a wise business decision as SE is a business and the end-goal is to make money.
If everything were too hard or inaccessible (eg. 1.x only being on PC with horrible optimization on even the best PCs) then that would equate to less players able to play the game.
This means less money.

[ShanXiv]

Yes they did. And the combat system I am talking about (using BLM as the example) is the final build. (1.2+ which is the one you seem to praise).
Do you not remember how braindead BLM was to play? I am using this example as it's the example you decided to point out.

The combat was quite literally - stand in the same spot and do not move.
Spam Thunder > Thundara > Thundaga over and over.. If you are about to pull hate cast Freeze.
Repeat.

Beginning to wonder if you even remember 1.x at all...

sorry I am not very familiar with the BLM
I played PLD mainly, yes the battle system is not perfect, example: you can't move when casting a WS, I dont like this too.

I am ok with the WOW type rotation, but the elemental wheel & the different weapon types(slashing ,piecing etc) sound more fun to me

Yes I've completed the first coil,all the extreme primals in 2.0,with my FC,
(they've all quit, & I don't want to raid anymore, I dont like the extreme: too easy or like a job, I just want something in the middle, something more"role playing" ,& more party contents,that helps build a FC,and keep a FC alive too)