Paladin is now the worst dps performing tank job.

[SkyEdge1]

I think you're getting too hung up on numbers, the consensus among the tanking community is that PLD is an incredibly well designed tank at the moment. In terms of damage, utility, self sustain, mitigation, and overall playstyle it's superb, you are getting twisted into a knot based solely on the damage output, which is heavily influenced by player skill and fight design. That is simply 1 aspect of the class as a whole. As a lot of people echoed already, I'd take a few dozen dps numbers on PLD as long as I don't have to deal with the awkward mess that is DRK atm.

[347SPECTRE]

With the charts Lyth posted, PLD is only behind in dps at the highest percentiles in O8s,with some overlap in O6s and O7s. How does one fight at the top 1-2% determine PLD dps to be worse than DRK when at all other levels PLD is ahead of DRK?

[KaldeaSahaline]

Most of the time in the parties where I see a DRK tank (savage pugs), they take literally no damage all fight. TBN is just that powerful. It's offset by the fact that DRK has the shittiest invuln CD.

As a PLD main, I'd be ok with a minuscule potency buff, and maybe a slight improvement to their invuln CD. Maybe bake a Convalescence effect into it while Walking Dead is active to mitigate the burden of topping them off, or reduce the HP threshhold to like 50-75% or something.

[Claire_Pendragon]

It may be the case, because Paladin is often allowed to work as DPS that bring utility to the table, when for example DRK is being expected to tank the boss due to the TBN and how good it works on tank busters, of which Paladins doesnt have a good enough answer to.

What is Sheltron?
(BTW, using O6S as an example, DRK takes more auto attack dmg than PLD, leading to similar total dmg taken between PLD and DRK, due to both blocking, and more CD uptime. So PLDs do better in the OT spot, and DRKs in the MT slot, to minimize total dmg taken.)
DRK is meant to be great at magical tank buster mitigation, not so great with cleaves and fluff. (Trust me, throw heavy physical tank busters that are on par with something like A12S Punishing heat, and TBN is going to be pathetic and near useless)

Paladin benefit the most from the sword oath, not only having the penalty gone, but by the passive that deals additional 75 potency each AA, but it still is not good enough comparing to DRK.
DRK can be switching grit stance or not be in it for half of the time, however he still needs it for tanking the boss and it still affects his dps by for example cost mp that could be used on something else.

Grit takes up more MP than the oaths(by %), which means more GCDs to get the MP back. (or resources for MP usage.) Also, how much potency do you think dark side adds? How much potency do you think DRK gains from Blood Weapon vs PLDs bursts?
It's not as doom and gloom as you're attempting to make it in your head, just as the numbers show.

PLD is burst DPS, DRK is sustained DPS.
You can look at ONE ability, and say, see, these 2 dont line up!
Because the difference multiplied by burst vs sustained alone makes most abilities non comparable when looked at directly, rather than as a whole.

[Valdegarde]

Most of the time in the parties where I see a DRK tank (savage pugs), they take literally no damage all fight. TBN is just that powerful.

I'm really starting to truly despise this stupid ability and how it's holding back Dark Knight as a class because of misinterpreted public opinion. Ask anyone who actually plays Dark Knight and they'll tell you that not only is it no more powerful than any single thing Paladin and Warrior have, it's maddening to utilize perfect enough uptime for it that would put Dark Knight even remotely on par with the other two tanks defensively, at the cost of anything they could do as a class (which to be fair, really isn't anything else.)

[Hruodig]

I'm really starting to truly despise this stupid ability and how it's holding back Dark Knight as a class because of misinterpreted public opinion. Ask anyone who actually plays Dark Knight and they'll tell you that not only is it no more powerful than any single thing Paladin and Warrior have, it's maddening to utilize perfect enough uptime for it that would put Dark Knight even remotely on par with the other two tanks defensively, at the cost of anything they could do as a class (which to be fair, really isn't anything else.)

I mean...it's pretty damn powerful, a 12k shield every 15 seconds is nothing to laugh at. It's not really my fault most drks don't realize how powerful it is.

[Valdegarde]

I mean...it's pretty damn powerful, a 12k shield every 15 seconds is nothing to laugh at. It's not really my fault most drks don't realize how powerful it is.

How about you main Dark Knight then?

[Nivarea]

Yes, TBN is powerfull...

But, it's also very costly ressource wise, even if we gain blood when it breaks, ressource we could have use to make more DPS, while other Tanks use all their cooldown for free (at the exception of Inner beast... which is used as a last resort or progress option on WAR).
But it's awkward to use outside of Tank Busters because of the nature of the shield and the necessity to make it break.
But it's generally not powerfull enough on its own to take Tank Busters outside of Grit when it screams to be used on it, meaning we must use others CDs.
But it take too much damn place on the defensive kit, meaning we're lacking on defensive cooldowns, particularly on the physical side.
But it can only be used on one party member, making it a very weak party utility compared to what WAR and PLD got.
But it's far weaker than intervention and cover when used on the other Tank.

Really, I love TBN as much as I hate it. It's on some aspects powerfull and awesome, and on the other aspect a real pain in the ass. And as Valdegarde said, we're sick of hearing we're fine because of TBN, when it's at the same time our poison and our salvation. It makes CD planing much more cumbersome than it needs to be, and we can't take the luxury to waste other CDs on fluff damage.

I'm just starting Sigma savage as of now, I'm not some top tier player, but I've played all three tanks on Delta and Extremes. To obtain the same result, DRK must do damn much more than PLD and WAR, which is frustrating, and it isn't taking into account the utility other brings we can't. And don't make me started on how WAR far outdps both of PLD and DRK while being superior to both of them, or at least equal to PLD depending on how you view it, on the defensive side. (it doesn't mean I hate WAR or want it put on the ground, actually I love playing it as of now)

[Hruodig]

How about you main Dark Knight then?

I cleared o7s on drk week 2, so I did for a while.

[AdamZ]

Lol, comparing WAR's to themselves on Doom Train Savage, or to the other tanks. That fights parses are so cheesed for WAR it is not even funny. The top parses have the WAR IR the add phase, which sky rockets the dps. But if you set it to boss only, you now hurt WAR's that do the IR ghost kill so no one else has to go in.