This whole Meta Party thing is hurting me. x_x

[Eli85]

I'm all for people running what class they are comfortable with. However, anyone that says that there isn't a significant performance gain from using certain classes which makes progression easy and speed kills quicker, I don't want to raid with because clearly they don't have a clue about how the game works.

When did I say there isn't a performance gain? Obviously, in any game, there will be some classes that perform better than others; and if the difference is egregious, then some re-balancing [should] occur.

Now let's go into some raiding realities.

Unless you are bleeding edge progression, you are not wiping because of 'numbers.' For the vast majority of hardcore raiders, you are struggling with mechanics far, far earlier than numbers. And, in all actuality, once you execute the mechanics flawlessly, the boss dies. Numbers only come in when balance is porous and / or you're carrying.

As for speed runs? Who cares? The boss dies. That's all the matters.

Saying that the balance of the game is fine because everything can clear is more ignorant imo.

In a PvE context, it's not ignorance; it is really is fine. If every single class can complete the hardest content available, there isn't a balance issue. If you can complete the hardest content but still whine "mah numbers," then you just need your ego checked. Reality: your numbers don't mean anything so long as the boss dies. It's like when sports teams win a championship. Sure, the star player is lauded, but do you think the rest of the team gives two figs that their stat line wasn't on par with everyone else? No, they just care that they won.

99% of all mythic wow guilds are not even focusing on that 1% and could probably be better served by playing classes they know well. That said, if the PF and a lot of raiding statics are purposefully excluding jobs, it's all well and good to ignore the meta, but the meta dictates what a lot of people will accept into their raiding group.

And none of these groups and FCs are worth playing with. They have a fundamental misunderstanding of how raiding works. It's not worth the frustration of trying to join if these 'groups' think only the 'meta' can clear a fight (reality check: every class can).