O5N is unfair for pure healer

[SilentVoice]

Oh I've got no problem with your personal desires for what healing should be. I'm personally right there with Vanille I don't think healing should be changed to fit these desires but go right on ahead having them.

My issue is that people can call top-tier players "fflogs wankers" but if I said "lazy casuals" seriously I would be the subject of a witch-hunt.

I am with Vanille, but since this crap has been a top discussion over the years in this game, i believe it's a problem, cause as you can see so many healers refuse to dps. i gave up on my desires and the game itself tbh (since i recently quit), for even more than just healing reasons. mine was a personal agenda, i loved 2.x as SCH in coils, cause i haven't had as much time to dps as it is now (also i loved SCH identity being as a mitigation healer, rather than burst emergency off healer like it is nowdays). game design makes any decent player understand that the only way to be a good healer is to increase their dps values. i kind of understand why newcomers feel that this is out of hand and that those "fflogs wankers" keep "guiding" them (in a harsh way) to git gut

[SilentVoice]

How about you just uninstall.

did that a few days ago, i'm just here to annoy people =)

[MoroMurasaki]

git gut

It kind of sounds like you're saying because people continue to be bad (because objectively a healer contributing dps is not playing as well as one who is) that SE should adapt the game to their poor play. I don't think so and I think that's an awful outlook to have.

I would say I'm sorry you've quit but honestly I'm not because maybe now you'll find another game that does things the way you like instead of trying to change one that already exists.

Maybe if more "lazy casuals" did this we would see less chatter about healer dps when in reality it shouldn't even have to be a conversation.

(See, me putting it in quotes still doesn't make it sound okay. Still sounds wrong to insult people based on gameplay, yet you keep throwing fflogs wankers out there)

[AxlStream]

Can someone explain why a bait thread has devolved into an almost 20 pages thread? Are people this gullible?

[Zojha]

Can someone explain why a bait thread has devolved into an almost 20 pages thread?

That's standard issue for threads involving healer DPS.

They can go well over 100 pages at a time and it is rumored that if one were to survive over a thousand pages, it would come to life and gain magical powers.

[KaivaC]

Can someone explain why a bait thread has devolved into an almost 20 pages thread? Are people this gullible?

Because these types of healers do exist. OP is a troll, but the pure healers in the game are real. And to be fair, there are healers out there who are offended if you ask them to DPS.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

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i mean seriously, could developers make at least certain fight so extremely healer intensive that none of the healers, except maybe few fflog wankers, get this fight done with a single offensive spell casted

They could...
In theory.

But considering that a fight that healer intensive would prevent a great majority of their playerbase from being skilled enough to realistically participate, it would be an 'Ultimate' level fight...

And I would think that the people who 'only heal' wouldn't be the ones proficient enough at their jobs to qualify for ultimate level content.

[BluexBird]

And to be fair, there are healers out there who are offended if you ask them to DPS.

"Uhm... you don't really need to heal me when I'm over 90% HP, you know?"
"WHAT'S THAT?! I'LL JUST HEAL THE DPS FROM NOW ON! HAVE FUN!"

Or...

"Could you cast some damage spells instead of just standing there doing nothing most of the time I'm not hurt?"
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"WHAT THE **** DID YOU JUST SAY TO ME ************?! YOU DON'T PAY MY SUB! DON'T TELL ME HOW TO PLAY! Do you even know who I am?! I am the WARRIOR OF LIGHT!"

[NephthysVasudan]

"Uhm... you don't really need to heal me when I'm over 90% HP, you know?"
"WHAT'S THAT?! I'LL JUST HEAL THE DPS FROM NOW ON! HAVE FUN!"

Or...

"Could you cast some damage spells instead of just standing there doing nothing most of the time I'm not hurt?"
...
"WHAT THE **** DID YOU JUST SAY TO ME ************?! YOU DON'T PAY MY SUB! DON'T TELL ME HOW TO PLAY! Do you even know who I am?! I am the WARRIOR OF LIGHT!"

LOL...I've lost count of how many times I've found healers doing nothing but healing...I generally not say anything unless things get that bad.

[loreleidiangelo]

They could...
In theory.

But considering that a fight that healer intensive would prevent a great majority of their playerbase from being skilled enough to realistically participate, it would be an 'Ultimate' level fight...

And I would think that the people who 'only heal' wouldn't be the ones proficient enough at their jobs to qualify for ultimate level content.

I mean, this is really what it boils down to. When you have players doing Byakko EX on SCH that are both under-healing AND under-DPSing me on AST it's kinda like, "y'know, I see now why the devs are really hesitant to make actually healing in this game more involved/complex than what we have right now". It sucks for people like me who don't find the DPS spam playstyle to be their preferred method of output on healer, but even I kinda feel like it's a lost cause hoping for it to change.

Still, I do wish people would kind of realize how silly it is, that healers have so much free time to do damage, even in raids. Looking at Angered's clear of O8S? Their WHM is literally sitting at 149 DPS casts throughout the entire fight, and 114 healing casts (and this is me being generous and counting Assize as being used for healing, not for damage). So this is more DPSing than healing, on the first day of a fight being released, basically at min ilevel, during progression. Their SCH pulls up similar numbers with regards to casts (I didn't count Embrace since that can be done independently, and will go off without the SCH's input even when someone is below 80% HP).

I'll be honest, if healers had DPS rotations that were even remotely engaging or had other interactions with their kit, this probably wouldn't irritate me as much. But when even hard raid fights are basically me spending more than 50% of my time as AST pushing the same two buttons over and over? Ugh. It's not fun to me, it doesn't make me feel skilled, and even if the devs have no plans to change the current DPS>healing design meta they have they could at least work on making our DPS rotations more satisfying.