Glamour dresser feedback

[Lalarrific]

and the fact mog stations just get 'destroyed' pretty much? nah. i'd rather keep that on my retainer until/ if this gets fixed.

Mogstation stuff can't be put in the glamour dresser. Those items are placed in the armoire, then the glamour plate system accesses them from there.

[PangTong]

Going to add my own feedback to this thread.

I appreciate that they are trying to improve the glamour system, but I think they really should have held off until they could implement in properly. Now that it's in, any larger changes are just going to be that much harder to make.

For starters, 200 slots is really not much, considering there are thousands of gear appearances in the game. With only 200, you cannot really build a collection and then build outfits from that collection. You can't just place whatever you think looks good without an idea of how you intend to use it. You still have to discriminate heavily about what items you keep vs what you toss, but tossing items means you lose the ability to include them in future glamours unless you go through the effort of acquiring them again.

Even more egregiously, 10 save slots for outfits is REALLY little. That is not even enough for 1 outfit for each battle job, let alone crafters and gatherers. In fact, even if all 10 of your outfits had a unique glamour for all 12 slots, that would not even fill the 200 slots of the dresser!

Thirdly, needing to sacrifice items to convert them to glamours is not only totally unnecessary, it just ends up causing all sorts of problems. The obvious one is people accidentally converting gear they want to use, but besides that, it means you are forced to choose between using an item or including it in plates.

Let's say I like the look of the level 50 Ironworks fending set. I want to make a glamour plate so I can apply it to my level 70 PLD, but I want to keep the set so my level 50 WAR can use it. With the current dresser system, I can only do one. My solutions are to either sacrifice the set to the dresser and then buy an entire new set for my WAR, or to make do with the old glamour system and apply all the glamours manually. Applying manually doesn't seem so bad, unless...

What if I wanted a second outfit for my PLD? Well, without a glamour plate for the Ironworks set, I would need to reapply the glamours every time I wanted to use it, taking additional time and paying additional prisms. This is the way the system worked before, but considering the dresser is meant to alleviate issues like this, it seems like an oversight. Sacrificing an item also means I lose the ability to equip it normally. If there's an item I like to wear only sometimes, but across many different outfits, I need to either give it its own plate (using up a valuable plate slot), or have a separate plate for each slight variation of an outfit (which is even worse).

Another issue is that glamour plates don't apply on top of manual glamours, but rather simply overwrite any existing glamour (or base appearance) with the plate items. This means that if I want to use multiple glamours on the same gear, but some of those glamours are not in plates (because as mentioned above, I would have to sacrifice gear I want to keep using), I have to manually dispel or reapply the glamours EVERY time I want to use them. For example, what if I wanted the default appearance of my current raid gear on my DRK, but a glamour plate outfit on my PLD who is wearing the same gear? I can't be expected to sacrifice my raid gear to the dresser and just get another set, so I have to dispel the glamours manually each time. At the very least, the glamour plate system should have a function to dispel the plate glamours.

The last issues I wanted to mention are being unable to edit plates when you're away from the dresser, and unable to apply plates outside major settlements. These are just annoying QoL issues which restrict the usability of the system. If you want two jobs using the same gear to have different outfits, you'd better hope you never have to change jobs outside cities.

I don't think these problems are as a result of laziness. I think the XIV team is well aware of these issues and what they would have preferred to do instead, they just lack either the expertise or the resources to do it. But I think they should understand how flimsy and weak excuses like "server limitations" and "it's better than nothing" are when this game's main competitor has a perfectly implemented system which automatically catalogs every single gear appearance you ever equip, across your entire account, and has basically no restrictions on where and when you change appearances. Excuses don't fly too well when your competitor is already offering a strictly superior feature.

So while I'm glad they acknowledge the glamour system enough to try and improve it in this way, doing it in such a half-baked way is disappointing. It may be "better than nothing", but it still leaves a lot to be desired.

For now, the devs should focus on removing the need to destroy items to add them to the dresser, and increasing the number of outfit and dresser slots dramatically.
But the ideal system would be:
- All items you equip are added to a full glamour catalog at no cost.
- Outfits can be assembled and applied anywhere (except instanced duties).
- Saving an outfit costs 1 prism per item, but makes applying that outfit free.
- Unlimited outfit save slots (or at least a high number, like 100+)
- Gear sets can attach a saved glamour outfit, which automatically applies whenever that gear set is equipped.

[Syrehn]

Mogstation stuff can't be put in the glamour dresser. Those items are placed in the armoire, then the glamour plate system accesses them from there.

Not correct. Mogstation items can not be placed in the armoire (maybe with the exception of the out-of-game event rewards that are now purchasable - i.e. Moogle outfit), but they can be placed in the dresser, and that's a dangerous, dangerous thing with how the system is currently implemented.

[HyoMinPark]

Mogstation stuff can't be put in the glamour dresser. Those items are placed in the armoire, then the glamour plate system accesses them from there.

Not all Mogstation purchases are Armoire-storable. Only past event items are coded to also go into the Armoire. But a lot of the more expensive Glamours such as the Chinese and Korean exclusives cannot be placed in there. The Eternal Bond outfits cannot either, nor can they be stored in the Dresser (I have two sets of the Platinum package dresses--I really wanted to save one to a Plate since I do like to wear the dress on my healers a lot, but cannot). This is something that should honestly be fixed, and soon (regarding all Mogstation items being Armoire storable, that is).


As for the OP, I agree with every feedback listed. And with Mhaeric's suggestion. I would like to add another one because I don't see it explicitedly stated in the OP:

10.) Allow Plates to be saved to specific Gearsets

While I know you can macro these when you change jobs, I feel like that's a needlessly cumbersome thing. Plates should be saved to specific gearsets to at least save a little bit of hassle if one frequently bounces between jobs that share the same gear. I wanted to use my healer AF3 sets for AST and WHM, but having to macro the Plate changes every time I switch jobs seems, again, needlessly cumbersome.

I hope to see most of these implemented in future updates.

[Keliae]

10.) Allow Plates to be saved to specific Gearsets

I was just thinking about this today. I was telling my husband that bare minimum they should've released an equal amount of plates as you have gearsets available. And then there should be a button on the gearset window that allows you to link a specific plate to it.