Glamour dresser feedback

[Elamys]

This was the feature I was most excited for this patch so now that I've gotten to play with it a bit I have a few bits of feedback. Overall I think it's a huge improvement but it still needs work.

1.) Increase the plate limit
The most obvious issue is that we can only save 10 plates. I think SE may have already said they'd look into increasing the number of plates we can save but we at least need the ability to save a plate for every job. Including crafters/gatherers.

2.) Increase the dresser item limit
200 items sounds like a lot, but not really; many of us have already filled them.

3.) Either allow us to retrieve dresser items, or increase what can go in the armoire
For the record I, personally, don't think it's terrible that items put into the dresser are destroyed. If they were items I was keeping around solely for glamour, it's not like I was using them as actual gear anyways. That said, I get that it's a concern for some people, especially with the low limit on items you can put in. So along with increasing the item limit, please let us take items in the dresser back out OR increase what can go into the armoire. Actually, preferably both. The armoire should be able to hold relics, augmented artifact sets and all Mog Station, holiday, and achievement items - no exception.

4.) Allow us to change the displayed glamour plate outside combat areas
I honestly have no idea why this is a restriction? It's not like we were forbidden from applying glamours in the field before, it was just unlikely to happen. It's a minor annoyance but an annoyance nonetheless.

5.) Allow us to use inventory items for gear plates
This is the biggest change that needs to be made. With the low item limit, and the ridiculous restrictions on armoires, we need to be able to use inventory items in plates because for those of us who play a lot of jobs, we're still going to be keeping a lot of pieces on our retainers and in our bags.

6.) Don't make glamour plates remove manually projected glamours
This is something that the need for can probably be nullified by increasing the numbers of plates, and I'm going to try to explain this the best way I can, by an example - when I applied a glamour plate for my ALC, I expected my Ala Mhigan gear to retain the appearance of my Songbird set, manually applied, on all my other crafters. However, the ALC plate removed the Songbird glamour, so I had to make another plate for the rest of my crafters, removing a plate I could have used for a different job.

Essentially, what should happen is that if you don't choose a specific plate to use, it should keep the appearance of something manually glamoured.

7.) Make a glamour dresser furnishing
p l e a s e i'm tired of running back and forth

edit:

8.) Get rid of the chat log spam
I forgot about this one. Seriously, why?

[Mhaeric]

Glamour stuff

I agree with all of this, especially the extra plates. There isn't even enough to do a single glamour for each job, let alone all the classes or various side looks. I will also add...

9.) Allow us to clear glamours using glamour plates.

Basically allow a way to have glamour plates apply a glamour dispeller to the slot. Ideally have it so we can pick and choose which slots, to do it for, but even just having just a default plate that doesn't need setting up that just clears it all would work. Plate #0 would make sense, for example. I like the base look to my set, but because I used the glamour plate to make me look naked temporarily I have no way of going back to my normal look without obtaining a second set of identical gear to add to the dresser or manually dispelling each piece one by one. And second sets aren't possible or easy to do with some gear.

[ZhaneX]

7.) Make a glamour dresser furnishing
p l e a s e i'm tired of running back and forth

They have said they'll be doing that, along with increasing the number of plates.

[CosplayGamer]

mixed feelings towards the glam system. i mean its what i wanted with glams, but having no way to get the item back once you put it in... i like just wearing things without having to glam them sometimes y'know? when goofing around with friends and stuff.

and the fact mog stations just get 'destroyed' pretty much? nah. i'd rather keep that on my retainer until/ if this gets fixed.

[Hellstorm]

I was hoping this system would allow mutiple glamours for 1 piece of gear so i could have one set for rdm and another for smn. You can't expect people to run to an inn every time they change jobs make the system only apply on the gear set selected or give us 26-28 spots and make modifying glamour plates only from inns but changing to that glamour available with same criteria there is currently with changing jobs. Also ability to label plates and macro glamour so it can be macroed in change job macro.

[Ilyrian]

It's all a bit rubbish really. But it has opened up some space at least.

[Lalarrific]

and the fact mog stations just get 'destroyed' pretty much? nah. i'd rather keep that on my retainer until/ if this gets fixed.

Mogstation stuff can't be put in the glamour dresser. Those items are placed in the armoire, then the glamour plate system accesses them from there.

[PangTong]

Going to add my own feedback to this thread.

I appreciate that they are trying to improve the glamour system, but I think they really should have held off until they could implement in properly. Now that it's in, any larger changes are just going to be that much harder to make.

For starters, 200 slots is really not much, considering there are thousands of gear appearances in the game. With only 200, you cannot really build a collection and then build outfits from that collection. You can't just place whatever you think looks good without an idea of how you intend to use it. You still have to discriminate heavily about what items you keep vs what you toss, but tossing items means you lose the ability to include them in future glamours unless you go through the effort of acquiring them again.

Even more egregiously, 10 save slots for outfits is REALLY little. That is not even enough for 1 outfit for each battle job, let alone crafters and gatherers. In fact, even if all 10 of your outfits had a unique glamour for all 12 slots, that would not even fill the 200 slots of the dresser!

Thirdly, needing to sacrifice items to convert them to glamours is not only totally unnecessary, it just ends up causing all sorts of problems. The obvious one is people accidentally converting gear they want to use, but besides that, it means you are forced to choose between using an item or including it in plates.

Let's say I like the look of the level 50 Ironworks fending set. I want to make a glamour plate so I can apply it to my level 70 PLD, but I want to keep the set so my level 50 WAR can use it. With the current dresser system, I can only do one. My solutions are to either sacrifice the set to the dresser and then buy an entire new set for my WAR, or to make do with the old glamour system and apply all the glamours manually. Applying manually doesn't seem so bad, unless...

What if I wanted a second outfit for my PLD? Well, without a glamour plate for the Ironworks set, I would need to reapply the glamours every time I wanted to use it, taking additional time and paying additional prisms. This is the way the system worked before, but considering the dresser is meant to alleviate issues like this, it seems like an oversight. Sacrificing an item also means I lose the ability to equip it normally. If there's an item I like to wear only sometimes, but across many different outfits, I need to either give it its own plate (using up a valuable plate slot), or have a separate plate for each slight variation of an outfit (which is even worse).

Another issue is that glamour plates don't apply on top of manual glamours, but rather simply overwrite any existing glamour (or base appearance) with the plate items. This means that if I want to use multiple glamours on the same gear, but some of those glamours are not in plates (because as mentioned above, I would have to sacrifice gear I want to keep using), I have to manually dispel or reapply the glamours EVERY time I want to use them. For example, what if I wanted the default appearance of my current raid gear on my DRK, but a glamour plate outfit on my PLD who is wearing the same gear? I can't be expected to sacrifice my raid gear to the dresser and just get another set, so I have to dispel the glamours manually each time. At the very least, the glamour plate system should have a function to dispel the plate glamours.

The last issues I wanted to mention are being unable to edit plates when you're away from the dresser, and unable to apply plates outside major settlements. These are just annoying QoL issues which restrict the usability of the system. If you want two jobs using the same gear to have different outfits, you'd better hope you never have to change jobs outside cities.

I don't think these problems are as a result of laziness. I think the XIV team is well aware of these issues and what they would have preferred to do instead, they just lack either the expertise or the resources to do it. But I think they should understand how flimsy and weak excuses like "server limitations" and "it's better than nothing" are when this game's main competitor has a perfectly implemented system which automatically catalogs every single gear appearance you ever equip, across your entire account, and has basically no restrictions on where and when you change appearances. Excuses don't fly too well when your competitor is already offering a strictly superior feature.

So while I'm glad they acknowledge the glamour system enough to try and improve it in this way, doing it in such a half-baked way is disappointing. It may be "better than nothing", but it still leaves a lot to be desired.

For now, the devs should focus on removing the need to destroy items to add them to the dresser, and increasing the number of outfit and dresser slots dramatically.
But the ideal system would be:
- All items you equip are added to a full glamour catalog at no cost.
- Outfits can be assembled and applied anywhere (except instanced duties).
- Saving an outfit costs 1 prism per item, but makes applying that outfit free.
- Unlimited outfit save slots (or at least a high number, like 100+)
- Gear sets can attach a saved glamour outfit, which automatically applies whenever that gear set is equipped.

[Sida]

Regarding number 6, I think all the ingsme help as well as the patch notes are very badly worded. All of them suggest glamour plates are something you wear on top of the gear. They also give the impression you need to use glamour plate every time you switch to a job if you want to retain that plate look. That is simply not true (unless of course to applied some other glamour to the gear in between) , and I hope they would more strongly word in help texts that what the glamour plates do is Apply the set of glamour of the plate to the gear. They are just stamps, shortcuts. You can create a plate, glamour gear with it, then use the plate for something else. Now all help texts give the false impression that the glamour look is tied to the existence of the plate.

And that said, we should really be able to inude inventory items in the creation of a plate, even if it would exhaust a prism for every inventory item used when a plate is saved. That would alleviate the shortcoming of limited glamour inventory, since being as it is, it prohibits using any RNG items as glamour plate items currently. Can't have one healer in plaque doctor and another in royal robe since neither of them can be reacquired reliably when they eventually need to be replaced on the glamour log. After all, full set of glamour is about 10 items/job and we do have over 20 jobs. Even with the shortfall of just 10 current plates the glamour system could be used to give unique look to all classes with lots of inn visits..But if one wants to change the look of a job, the gear has to be destroyed. So they actively prohibit using dungeon gear in the plates now. If inventory items could be used in plates the nonremoval from glamour store would be almost ok.

[Elamys]

I was hoping this system would allow mutipe glamours for 1 piece of gear so i could have one set for rdm and another for smn. you can't expect people to run to an inn every time they change jobs make the system only apply on the gear set selected.

You can! You can choose which plate you want outside of an Inn on the character pane. It's the button next to the Recommended Gear button. You can also view your plates there.

To make the switch easier, make a macro. Quoting myself from another thread.

/micon 1 gearset
/change gearset 1 1

Breakdown of that:

The number in the first line, and the first number in the second line, are the numbers of the sets you want to wear (they should be the same). The second number on the second line is the number of the glamour plate you want to use.

As an example, my weaver is gearset 12, and uses glamour plate 5. So my macro to switch to weaver looks like this:

/micon 12 gearset
/gearset change 12 5

It works flawlessly. I currently have all my crafters in one gear set except ALC, which is in a set I've been sitting on for three (!!) years.

The system is still an improvement, but it needs some work. Just keep in mind the appearance won't swap outside resting areas. But you don't have to go to an inn.