While the Glamour Revision is welcomed - I feel like its missing the mark

[Mimilu]

I do have a question about the Glamour Dresser though: If-and-when we reach the 200 item limit and we get more items that we would potentially want to add, then what? Is there a way to remove/delete stored items to make room for more items?
Also, what kind of items will be added to the Calamity Salvager? Can we repurchase cash shop items there (seeing as we can't repurchase most items for characters that were already purchased/gifted)?

[Krotoan]

Lol!! Are they proud of making a system like this? I would be embarrassed.

Do you develop video games? Your comments imply that not only is this what you do, you could do it better than the FFXIV team does.

First off, I want to know if the development team understands messing with this is clunky to begin with? It takes too much time to run back and forth then sorting out your inventory from the extra clutter. I saw the Calamity Savager to be part of a temp solution/ storage of items not used much, not to be integrated in the main glam system!!!!

agreed the calamity salvager isn't a great solution, but again, this is a way to "store" items that would otherwise take up inventory and is utilizing a system that's already implemented and known to be working. While it's not optimal, it's storage space for free.

Still does not address using rare dyes.

You can use one rare dye on the item you put in the dresser or You can apply a rare dye to a plate itself. You will lose the rare dye if you glamour OVER something that was dyed in the plate itself. As to if you can use the same item multiple times in different plates we still don't know. I guess we'll find out.

From my understanding, you can only have the 10 plates to glam over a complete job, not piece by piece and limited to cities. This really solves nothing when you can't access them with the old glam system. Furthermore what if I am say tank or healer, 3 classes using the same gear, and I am out in the open world and change job, I can't use say my WHM plate and stuck on my SCH glam as whm? This does not help at all those that have a different set for each class and trying to claw for more inventory room. What is the point of this system? It is confusing, overly complex and does not fix anything.

There is nothing to stop you from glamouring soemthing with a specific piece before putting it into the dresser and then making a plate without that slot glamoured. The glamours are NOT linked to the jobs unless a weapon is specified (This is a little unclear though.. I'll have to wait to see how that limits it). If I understand the system correctly (it's a little weirdly worded), you can change the plates anytime you want once they're made. They're equipped on their own and can be macro'd so you can do a gear/job change and a glamour change at the same time. This means you can change to WHM, then use your WHM themed plate or your "casual" plate with open classed armor appearances.

This system removes items out of your functional inventory into a Glamour inventory, freeing up space for you to store stuff like mats and actual leveling gear. It also adds a functionality to glamour the same armor with different appearances without having duplicates of those items or having to wear lower stat items because of "unique" tags on that gear so you COULDN'T acquire another copy. Both of these functions were highly requested by players.

It's confusing mostly because we don't have hands on it yet. I'm sure some if not all of your questions will be answered once people can actually play with the system. I'm chomping at the bit myself to dig into it and formulate some useful critique and feedback.
You keep saying it fixes nothing but there are many concerns that have been addressed by this system and YES some of them weren't completely fulfilled but they were started on.

This system is pre alpha at best, I do not understand how such a newer game can't do 1/10th of older games in regards of a fashion system

You seem consistently resistant to people attempting to explain this to you or put this into context. I am sorry neither I nor the other people who have tried cannot explain this in a way that makes sense to you or puts what is required into perspective.

I do have a question about the Glamour Dresser though: If-and-when we reach the 200 item limit and we get more items that we would potentially want to add, then what? Is there a way to remove/delete stored items to make room for more items?
Also, what kind of items will be added to the Calamity Salvager? Can we repurchase cash shop items there (seeing as we can't repurchase most items for characters that were already purchased/gifted)?

There was a reddit thread saying you COULD remove items and regain the original converted item. That's all I have found on that though. It wouldn't really make sense for it to eat it forever but they've made worse descisions... I'm thinking you're going to have to wait till at least patch notes for that other answer though.

[Iscah]

Re. the calamity salvager - currently the level 45 relic gear can be repurchased from them but the level 50 gear cannot. Likewise the level 45 gear can be stored in the armoire but the level 50 gear cannot. (I assume this pattern repeats but I’m still only halfway through Heavensward.)

SO... what if by saying “more gear will be available from the salvager” that also means more gear can be stored in the armoire?

Even if it can’t be stored, I’ll be happier to discard the pieces of relic gear that I don’t really think I’ll use, but don’t like to throw out just because they’re hard to get back.

[Canadane]

Just stop collecting sets.
Seems like an easy solution.

Re. the calamity salvager - currently the level 45 relic gear can be repurchased from them but the level 50 gear cannot. Likewise the level 45 gear can be stored in the armoire but the level 50 gear cannot. (I assume this pattern repeats but I’m still only halfway through Heavensward.)

SO... what if by saying “more gear will be available from the salvager” that also means more gear can be stored in the armoire?

Even if it can’t be stored, I’ll be happier to discard the pieces of relic gear that I don’t really think I’ll use, but don’t like to throw out just because they’re hard to get back.

You know the i90 stuff drops from dungeons that are easily soloable? It's pretty safe to discard the work involved in retaining them is minimal.

[Lukha]

Also, what kind of items will be added to the Calamity Salvager? Can we repurchase cash shop items there

SO... what if by saying “more gear will be available from the salvager” that also means more gear can be stored in the armoire?

Armoire
We have made it so items such as the maid and butler outfits can be stored in the armoire. We recommend storing any items that can be stored in armoire.

I'm assuming this includes cash shop items as well as promotional ones, but I could be wrong on that?

[Vstarstruck]

You seem consistently resistant to people attempting to explain this to you or put this into context. I am sorry neither I nor the other people who have tried cannot explain this in a way that makes sense to you or puts what is required into perspective.

No idea what you mean.

For the dyes its like this, say you use pure white of say something from the mog station for one set, and jet black on the other. This F2P system still forces you keep using one of those rare dyes for one of the sets, this update does not really improve anything, and just adds more unnecessary complexity.

Either SE does not understand whtat a glam log is, or they are trying to push hidden fee objectives. (I/E need keep buying rare dyes, retainer rental, etc.

[Krotoan]

No idea what you mean.

exactly the problem.

For the dyes its like this, say you use pure white of say something from the mog station for one set, and jet black on the other. This F2P system still forces you keep using one of those rare dyes for one of the sets, this update does not really improve anything, and just adds more unnecessary complexity.

Either SE does not understand whtat a glam log is, or they are trying to push hidden fee objectives. (I/E need keep buying rare dyes, retainer rental, etc.

Yes, if you keep changing the contents of one of your plates, you will keep having to dye the plate itself if you want it a different color than the base dye. But if you just want to apply the plate to several different jobs, NO you don't have to redye it. The plates slot has a dye flag in it. Also all "premium" dyes have a AH alternative which can be bought for Gil. No real money needed. Just search the AH for Jet Black and you should find the "general purpose" version which is functionally the same. SE does want to have you spend money, but this isn't one of those cases where there's a "hidden motive". The dyes are available, the space is being added for no extra charge.

This is not a black and white thing (not referring to dyes), there are likely problems we aren't aware of that make your ideal "log" either implausible, uneconomical or extremely difficult. I'd love someone to weigh in on the legal aspect of just copying another games system. That might be a big deal as well, they might HAVE to make something legally defensibly different just to avoid litigation.... True that's all speculation, but it's far more likely than a huge company like theirs just NOT knowing what the alternatives are.

[LalaRu]

... 200 spaces seems incredibly low for 4 years of glamour...

But it is much more than the 0 spaces we have today.
Maybe the new system is still not perfect, but I see a huge forward step. Forward steps are always welcome.

[Vstarstruck]

exactly the problem.

I do not know why you are being so negative but I am explaining the problems with this system. It does not do much and needs improvements, I have no idea why you are posting what you are posting. It is not even really replying to me. The system has major problems with handling dyes and your trying to explain why it does not? at best it is unneeded inventory bloat, dyes shouldn't even be an item.

You are completely missing what I am saying, in your words "exactly the problem"

Please don't post to me in an aggressive/passive manner like I do not know the rare dyes exist on the market board. You explaining that only shows you do not get what I am saying. It shouldn't be hard to get my point, how big of a turn over is gear in this game? We shouldn't have this system for rare dyes that we currently do. It does not matter if a hidden agenda is truly being pushed, I am sure many feel like it is, and that makes it a problem.

[Krotoan]

I do not know why you are being so negative but I am explaining the problems with this system. It does not do much and needs improvements, I have no idea why you are posting what you are posting. It is not even really replying to me. The system has major problems with handling dyes and your trying to explain why it does not? at best it is unneeded inventory bloat, dyes shouldn't even be an item.

I'm being "negative" because I disagree with your position. This is what disagreeing is. I'm directly addressing every point you bring up. "dyes shouldn't be an item" wasn't your original complaint. If I remember correctly it boiled down to : "This system doesn't fulfill everything I want and isn't what I envisioned or expected so I don't want it."

You are completely missing what I am saying, in your words "exactly the problem"

you are missing what I'm saying. People have explained, over and over, that there are system limitations and reasons for not lifting a system directly from another game. You continue to post about how other games do things and how we should do that and how sad/embarrassing it is that we arent.

Please don't post to me in an aggressive/passive manner like I do not know the rare dyes exist on the market board. You explaining that only shows you do not get what I am saying. It shouldn't be hard to get my point, how big of a turn over is gear in this game? We shouldn't have this system for rare dyes that we currently do. It does not matter if a hidden agenda is truly being pushed, I am sure many feel like it is, and that makes it a problem.

I'm not being Passive-aggressive. You posted that you saw this as something to force us to buy cash shop dyes , it sounds like you're not aware the same ink is available for Gil in game with no real money spent and I was trying to be helpful by pointing out not only that it exists but it's naming conventions and how it works. You are pressing for a "glamour log" and only a "glamour log". You seem to be unable to accept that it may not be possible for us to have one. It DOES matter. Just because you FEEL like something doesn't mean it's true, and wallowing in "feelings" instead of seeking truth is very ignorant.

I bear you no animosity and if I'm truly causing you distress I'll try to make my responses softer, but I will not stop arguing my own position.