The mentor system needs to be reevaulated.

[Deceptus]

Personal Opinion: I don't think EX content should be in the mentor roulette. If you've reached that level and don't know how to look up guides yourself, there's not much someone can do for you. Many EX's have some detailed mechanics that can't be simplified over chat.

[NephthysVasudan]

The best of FFXIV has to offer =/= incredibly skilled player able to solo O4S while being in the 99th percentile

The best of FFXIV has to offer = a decent individual ( with no link to actual player performance)

I was reacting to morons expecting mentors to be incredibly skilled. Rampant elitism is the issue here, and this toxicity has nothing to do with having a crown or not.

You should learn to read before you respond next time.

Mentors are there to teach/to help/to aid [new players of course]

Sprouts are not the type to be doing omega savage content.....stop making assumptions.

[Stanelis]

You should learn to read before you respond next time.

Mentors are there to teach/to help/to aid [new players of course]

Sprouts are not the type to be doing omega savage content.....stop making assumptions.

Which is exactly what I m saying, but isn't what other people have been stating here. Please apply your own advices to yourself.

[NephthysVasudan]

Which is exactly what I m saying, but isn't what other people have been stating here. Please apply your own advices to yourself.

Again....read...before you respond.

You are answering me..I am answering you...you need to learn to pay attention to what your doing. You are being very accusatory over something I clearly agreed with on you. Chill out..move on.

[LalaRu]

The idea of watering can instead on crowns isn't that bad at all

Maybe not that extreme... but a symbol more towards to "helping people" meaning, than "above people" as a crown suggests, is welcome.

[kamenkuro]

Honestly, increasing the requirements to be a mentor or having tiers would be preferable. Like, there's mentors for each expansion or you lose the status if you aren't qualified that patch because you need to complete certain fights that patch.

[Sebazy]

I don't think you understand what a mentor is. A mentor isn't here to be an example or to make great players out of beginner. A mentor is here to provide help to new players, should such a player request it.

The best of FFXIV has to offer = a decent individual ( with no link to actual player performance)

I was reacting to morons expecting mentors to be incredibly skilled. Rampant elitism is the issue here, and this toxicity has nothing to do with having a crown or not.

Uh, perhaps you missed the rest of my post in your apparent anger at me? Here I'll requote myself from earlier. I'd love to fix the phone typos now I'm home but I'll leave it untouched for you <3

Viewing mentors as a meme pretty much hits thhe nail on the head for me. It’s a shame as it shouldn’t be that way. I don’t expect mentors to be 90 percentile superstars, but I do expect them to be at least well grounded, courteous and respectful.

I entirely agree with you on what a mentor is there for, they are there to help them learn the ropes in the game, not post 90% clear on logs. However, this doesn't mean that the advice that they give out doesn't need to be accurate, thoughtful and well articulated either.

The problem here is that a very significant chunk of bad eggs bring the good eggs into disrepute, this is my issue with the system.

You only have to look at Fairie's issues with Zexy to see that that sort of thing neither looks good on the game or the player base as a whole, nor is it in anyway acceptable at any level in a channel that's there to help people. Bickering, borderline troll advice and personal agendas have absolutely no place in the novice network. The mentors are there to help the sprouts, not the other way round.

Again, I see some of the pettiness and drama that's gone down in there and I want nothing to do with that.

The idea of watering can instead on crowns isn't that bad at all

Agreed, I think it's fantastic.

[alimdia]

Seems like this thread is relevant again http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...R-STOLE-MY-DOG

Heed Yoshida's words, most of you are taking the mentor system way too seriously, it was not designed to be whatever you think it is, it's just answering the simplest, most basic questions and nothing else. Accept the system for what it is and stop trying to change it because they won't change it, and this should be obvious after almost two years with the system.

If someone broke a rule report them for that reason, and not because they had a crown.

[Infindox]

I was coming to make a thread about this and saw yours, so thanks!

I honestly think they should do the following:
- Keep what they have now but make that the lower tier mentor, with the same requirements.
- Make the new highest tier.
That would be at least one class of each type at lv. 70, a certain amount of comms, and certain amost of content ran
-pvp and omnicrafters/gathers get a separate version (similarly to how DoH/L requirement is now)

I am a mentor because I really do want to help newbies and share with how much I love this game, but the stigma people have given it is annoying.

[MoroMurasaki]

I just think it's time to separate the mentor crown and status from the rewards of mentor roulette.

There are very few players who would be mentors if you didn't get anything for doing it but those people would be honest in their intent to help new players. These people are also not generally the type of players who need a carrot on a stick to entice them into providing that help.

I don't consider myself very qualified to be a mentor but since I fulfilled the requirements I thought I might as well unlock the status so that I can help new players in the Novice Network. I'm glad I did! Made a few friends, got some people through some things, I've even gotten to craft new gear for some sprouts since my WVR hit 70.

I don't think mentorship needs to be a complicated thing. You like helping people? You've got some time spent in game? Alrighty. Maybe they could throw out a quick quiz or something of common new player questions if they wanted to be extra sure of the competence of new mentors.

I feel like the people who troll sprouts and ignore them wouldn't be involved in the system at all if it wasn't for the rewards and those of us who like helping people will keep doing it even without an exclusive mount. Let's just get rid of that thing or make it available some other way and be done with it.

Also for the record all of the negativity aimed at mentors by people on this forum who are mentors, whether offically or not, kinda saddens me. Mentors aren't all bad, people are acting like everything toxic they've seen has come from a mentor and they've never seen a mentor player be a victim or harassment or abuse before. I'm sure thatts not true. How about we all take a step back and try to be reasonable instead of the "all mentors are toxic elitists" bandwagon? Many of us are called toxic elitists just for saying healers should dps or parsers are a good thing, we know throwing those words around is silly, why would we do that ourselves?