Objection to the new adjustment for PGL, they gonna make this class useless in PT.

[Alise]

Most of people who play PGL would think of either it as evasion-tanking or that it will go into Dps route one way or another. However,From what I see from the description and skill list of the new PGL/MOK are going to have, the define role for PGL is in pretty bad state, come on' we know that in MMO game it is better to be good at one way and not jack of all-trade like this.

Here see what it can do : "little attack skill" "little dodge skill" "little stun skill" "little debuff skill" "Need a lot of MP" in MMO, this look bad... <_<;

I know that this is possibly be futile, but SE says before that they will release the class detail ahead so that they can hear some feedback from us. If anybody agree that you not want PGL to be kind Dps rapid attack instead of just little of everything, please like this post.

Let's look it easy from PT recruitment perspective :

-PLD = for safe tank.
-WAR = speed run tank.
-DRG = DD
-BRD = every PT need Mp refill song.
-WHM = healer most important.
-BLM = for all the debuff and nuker. (work as current THM role)
-PGL = Do we really need this? let's fill LNC/DRG til max..

My goal in this thread isn't about complain. Only intention here is to notify dev team that you are repeating the same mistake by making unwanted class.

[Alise]

Sorry, Inb4 someone come and say like this post if you disagree. <_>;

"Like this post if you want PGL as the current plan, jack of all'trade type."

[Synfrag]

I don't remember them asking for our feedback on the matter. I certainly could be wrong but regardless, if you don't post it in the proper forum category (Class Discussion: PGL) and do not tag it with the dev tag ([dev1206]) you are not offering feedback.

[Rentahamster]

I don't remember them asking for our feedback on the matter. I certainly could be wrong but regardless, if you don't post it in the proper forum category (Class Discussion: PGL) and do not tag it with the dev tag ([dev1206]) you are not offering feedback.

They always ask for our feedback. On everything.

You're right about this being in the wrong forum, though.

[Sephrick]

I don't remember them asking for our feedback on the matter. I certainly could be wrong but regardless, if you don't post it in the proper forum category (Class Discussion: PGL) and do not tag it with the dev tag ([dev1206]) you are not offering feedback.

That's why they take the time to post it before implementation. Albeit it was very late.

Alongside the overhaul to the algorithms, work is also proceeding on redefining and redistributing abilities for Disciples of War and Magic. This is a hefty amount of work, and not all classes will be ready by patch 1.19. But rather than a partial release, we’ve decided to save the implementation of all classes for 1.20. We’ll make the details of the planned changes available when 1.19 goes live, and monitor player feedback as a way to help define our direction. In the meantime, we’ll keep on performing balance tweaks to the current class system in coming sub-patches based on ongoing feedback from the community.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...495#post292495

[Holland]

After reading the actions list again, it seems PGL is not a jack of all trades, some of the skills are based on evading an attack, increasing evasion, blinding, stunning, slowing and absorving MP to keep himself active in battle. His focus seems to be centered on evading completely while dealing good damage with the added elemental effect on attacks.

[Elexia]

Monk/Pugilist is going to be sexy actually. I don't object to classes/jobs getting sexy. PGL isn't necessarily useless against Ifrit, I've done it as PGL plenty of times, it's just 9000 easier to toss Lancers at it.

[Alise]

@grandm :

waiting that long would be too late.. 1.21 is mark for the ending of battle adjustment. and 1.20 is near finish.

Monk/Pugilist is going to be sexy actually. I don't object to classes/jobs getting sexy. PGL isn't necessarily useless against Ifrit, I've done it as PGL plenty of times, it's just 9000 easier to toss Lancers at it.

Aye, and that is really bad to let it happen in MMO..

[Alise]

Thank for head up, so I tag [dev1206] in now.

And no, not really, so far what I have seen 90% of the threads that get dev feedback and some even quote in Yoshida posted before (about craft 1.19 complain) are from here in "General section"

@Holland
Stun is useless in any boss-scale tho, do you ever seen any of them get stun? (Buffalo?, Urekeus? Batraal? Ifrit?) even if it does, it last no longer than blink of an eyes.

PGL is useless against both Batraal and Ifrit, I were hoping the new change would make him more useful in new content, not make it look worse with a clear define role as in solo-list. A war that rely heavily on MP is already sound bad enough... (no any half magic knight is a success role in MMO)