An example of why the ARR Hunts need an adjustment

[Unease_Lemming]

This is talking about the same issue I've tried to address in a topic a while back,
and the same group are still at it to this day.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...r-S-rank-Hunts

To anyone saying "put in the work yourself", as was stated, this has stopped applying to Behemoth server. It is not possible to do anything more than stumbling around blindly.

Spawning Hunts on the server has for the first time since their inception stopped being fun to me ever since this group started doing what they're doing, over 3 months back now. Non-max level hunts need an adjustment.

Disclaimer since this ended up being an issue in my other topic and I want to prevent it here; I am not "salty" because I can't get to hunts, nor am I being lazy and not putting in work. I have a tiger mount, I've spawned S ranks forever until this started happening, always enjoyed it greatly, it was a fun community activity, now utterly in shambles all due to the actions of a few people working within a system that is not made for being 20 levels higher than the content.

In conclusion I'd really like to ask anyone that claims this isn't an issue to come to Behemoth server and try to hunt S ranks for a week and see how it works out for you.

[Squintina]

I'm getting it. As I explained, it's not in our interests to give time of death just to see people spawn it without us next time. And they will spawn it without waiting because they care only about themselves, so why we shouldn't do the same? And we started doing it too now. A spawn war.
Missing S ranks... that's not how to get a tiger.

Then I feel for you and the other people on your servers, to have such selfish people who think that way. Is it really that hard for spawners to relay to their friends first, wait a minute or two, then relay to other LSs (who will then relay to more LSs and thus spread the word)? That's what we do on the server I play. Because of that, a lot more people get S ranks and it gives us an incentive to keep the spawn windows accurate because we all benefit from other spawners doing the work, usually 20-40 people show up, enough that people on weak machines have to turn off other player animations if they don't want to lag.

Y'all should try it. Spawn wars are good for no one.

But the fact that spawn wars can be made because we have to keep relying on 3rd party timers is something that should be addressed, and honestly your "defense" just proves what the OP is having issues with - that people like you are making it difficult for others to participate in ARR (and probably HW) hunts. At least SB hunts are more welcoming just because they actually need more people to be there to be killed easily.

[SuperZay]

That's how they were doing on Ragnarok, but I switched server recently and got right into middlle of hunt drama. It looks like a small group of people got tired of undeserved insults by players who never spawned anything in their life and just leech of relinks. For them it's annoying to see a leecher with radar without even fisher unlocked waiting near Horizon aetherite and shouting/relinking the exact position of S rank the moment they catch Glimmerscale. So now they punish lazy and hateful community by trying to ninjakill as many S as possible. I should say they succed a lot, even with some people tracking and following them all day (instead of actually trying to spawn something themselves).
It wouldn't happen if people actually respected spawners, just look, even I was already called an asshole in this thread for hours and hours invested so they can zone in, get +1 credit to their mount, zone out and wait for next relink.

[BillyKaplan]

(instead of actually trying to spawn something themselves).

You make it sound like all S ranks are available all the time that people have options. And I mean, wasn't that group the only one who knew when the thing was killed last? Following them is EXACTLY the thing people should do if they want S ranks! If you really have moochers, weed out your linkshells. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Tsumdere]

I'm getting it. As I explained, it's not in our interests to give time of death just to see people spawn it without us next time. And they will spawn it without waiting because they care only about themselves, so why we shouldn't do the same? And we started doing it too now. A spawn war.
Missing S ranks... that's not how to get a tiger.

So - If they don't spawn the hunts, they are selfish and don't deserve the tiger. But if they DO spawn the hunts they are selfish and don't deserve the tiger. :thonking:

[Squintina]

It wouldn't happen if people actually respected spawners

I definitely agree that people should thank spawners. It's a courtesy. While not all S ranks require spawning, and while not all of them require a ton of work, some of them do (and even for the ones who don't require much, the person still bothered to actually go do it).

Try to spread that, heck throw a "ty spawner" even if you were the one spawning it, just because then if people see it, it will remind them that someone had to do it.

[BillyKaplan]

"ty spawner"

The linkshells I'm in do that. It's really nice especially if you just finished spawning Nunyu

[RokkuEkkusu]

The main issue I have with the S rank hunts is that they spawn AWAY from the ones who actually took the effort in spawning the said S ranks in the first place. How is that fair credit- and achievement-wise?

And as far as the Ariyala site update situation is concerned, not everyone who hunts use or update the site timely when a hunt boss dies on a particular server. So it's fair game for anyone who relies on it to keep track of hunts.

[RitsukoSonoda]

I'd like to reiterate in response to people saying "do the work if you want the hunts" - these players operate in a way that excludes anyone else from doing said work. There is no opportunity to do the work to spawn these S ranks because they go ahead and spawn and kill them before you can ever have the chance to, and don't tell anyone so that they can maintain an iron fist on their exclusive hunt club.

This is no different than what my primary LS did on FFXI for months at a time even in a few cases going on to over a year on NM and HNM spawns. We kept our own data base of death timers to find respawn windows for the targets we hunted. If you want to get in on these hunts you do the work needed to obtain the death timers yourself and keep track of it on your own. They are not obligated in any way to share this information with the entire server.

[Bach_of_Behemoth]

geez you\\'re really not getting what the OP is saying.

That on his server the people are purposefully not tracking (or incorrectly tracking) the S ranks, and not relaying them, so it makes it almost impossible for others who aren\\'t in that elusive club to know what the spawn window is currently at.

Of course joining a spawn party would help...if they could find out what the spawn window was, or if they could find out how to join the existing spawners. Other servers are better about cooperating so more people can participate in spawning.

Your screenshot just shows that on your server (which it looks like you\\'re on Odin and he\\'s on Behemoth), you\\'re probably all better at actually tracking correctly and reporting.

Imagine if tomorrow someone decided to go on your tracker (I\\'m assuming Ariyala/Odin) and decided to mark every single S rank as being dead. It\\'d be a similar experience to if no one was reporting when an S rank died at all because the window would always be inaccurate.

To the OP:
for the time being focus on the few S ranks that are not spawned by players.
example: Croakadile is spawned based on when the full moon comes. Get an android app called Eorzea clock (get an emulator if you don\\'t have android) so you can see the moon phase.
example2: there\\'s another one that\\'s based on when the weather rains twice in a row. There is a website out there for that as well.

So at least for those it\\'s based on the server, not on people, so if you show up whenever that happens, even if you can\\'t know the window, at least you have a greater chance of seeing them.

Now that you mention this. Yes. There are literally a few people who became so salty because they missed a couple hunts; a husband and wife according to the majority on behemoth that they; a heals and dps/tank now purposly flat out pull anythibg insight the second they see it, they spawn any and all s ranks from A realm reborn to Heavensward to Stormblood, dont bother to say shit regardless of it being an A rank or S rank alike they will pull it upon contact. So i can confirm that yes there are those people and those that are defending them aswell with the "git gud" mentality.