While the Glamour Revision is welcomed - I feel like its missing the mark

[Alleo]

First I was kinda happy for the change but after thinking about it a bit more I am sad that they again choose a way more confusing system over a simple glamour log. Heck people even wrote that they would be fine to go to a certain place or NPC to access this book. Seeing how they did not keep their words with expanding the apartments if they are full I am kinda skeptic if they increase the amount..maybe it will be like the egi glamour, one initial release and then the people should be happy for that and hopefully not cry for more..only for us to do that because its a limited system in a game with a huge amount of glamour and they will complain that we are never happy..

A problem is, that they will probably try to just stick with that so a true glamour log will probably be out of question. Just see how they are behaving around the housing issue and one will know that they dont like to change it up.

I just want a glamour log where I can see every piece of equipment and where to get it...just like the orchestrion rolls..this way I would have a very big long term goal in playing the game and running the content..but no lets just create another limited and confusing system..*sigh*

(And seeing how people even from Japan complained about the restriction and Yoshida put it down with a : give us a break..I surely have less hope for an better system. I mean how many years are people already complaining about it? They could have worked on this over years and yet it just feels like they put something out recently because we complained too much..I am just getting tried of having to be okay with a system that is "alright for the start" while knowing that a lot of content will be ignored after its initial launch (LoV, chocobo racing, housing))

[SokiYagami]

First I was kinda happy for the change but after thinking about it a bit more I am sad that they again choose a way more confusing system over a simple glamour log. Heck people even wrote that they would be fine to go to a certain place or NPC to access this book. Seeing how they did not keep their words with expanding the apartments if they are full I am kinda skeptic if they increase the amount..maybe it will be like the egi glamour, one initial release and then the people should be happy for that and hopefully not cry for more..only for us to do that because its a limited system in a game with a huge amount of glamour and they will complain that we are never happy..

A problem is, that they will probably try to just stick with that so a true glamour log will probably be out of question. Just see how they are behaving around the housing issue and one will know that they dont like to change it up.

I just want a glamour log where I can see every piece of equipment and where to get it...just like the orchestrion rolls..this way I would have a very big long term goal in playing the game and running the content..but no lets just create another limited and confusing system..*sigh*

(And seeing how people even from Japan complained about the restriction and Yoshida put it down with a : give us a break..I surely have less hope for an better system. I mean how many years are people already complaining about it? They could have worked on this over years and yet it just feels like they put something out recently because we complained too much..I am just getting tried of having to be okay with a system that is "alright for the start" while knowing that a lot of content will be ignored after its initial launch (LoV, chocobo racing, housing))

Forget the apartment, they mentioned the inventory increase at SB will be two-fold but after the first one they say they can't go further. So yes, I think you're right on the gil to be skeptical on further increase to the 200 limit.

[Kaethra]

Truth be told, whenever I think of glamor log, I envision some convoluted menu where I have to click 3 times to confirm something.

What I want is just a straight rip off of the Transmog system from WoW/Diablo 3. Glamor log is probably exactly that, but the log at the end makes me nervous.

[Tridus]

Rome wasn't built in a day, people. It's progress, and we should be grateful for it.

In software development, you get once chance to build it the first time. Do it wrong or cut corners, and you find out later that it's much more expensive to fix bad decisions than it is to not make them in the first place.

SE should know this better than anyone, given the history of this game. What they're doing now looks an awful lot like someone putting something together because they either don't have the budget or the know how to do it correctly in the first place, and thus we're getting an artificial limit where none should exist and a more complicated system than necessary. There's already a blueprint for this: copy WoW. By not doing that, they're just ensuring that we won't get a proper version down the road, because they'll wind up trying to graft onto what they're building now. In effect, they're trying to tack a room onto a house without digging out and expanding the foundation correctly. When it comes time to add onto that extension, it'll be even harder.

For what is supposedly the second most successful sub based MMO on the market, they seem to have no idea how to do things on the backend effectively.

[Tridus]

I won't pretend to understand server limitations because I don't.

But, I also don't understand how an instant replay feature, with options to replay from every team members point of view, including the bosses, is less of a server load than a list of clothing skins that players can access in an inn.

So why are we limited to only 200 favourites and not the glamour log book everyone has been straight up begging for.

I'd expect that replay is strictly client side. In an instance, the client already has the information about what everyone is doing, as the server needs to send it in order to show it on screen. The client could simply stream all that data to disk as it comes in as a replay file, and then play it back later.

The glamour log does require server resources, but certainly not some kind of game breaking amount.

[Claviusnex]

The glamour log does require server resources, but certainly not some kind of game breaking amount.

I agree. A lot of the processing could be offloaded to the client or spawned as a new server side process if they would use a real relational database for things like logs or inventories. The client/process makes a database call to get all of the information and after processing sends the result to the game server for implementation. With enough forethought it could also resolve a lot of the issue SE claims as causing most of their problems and that is passing copies of data structures across the various server processes whether needed or not.

[Beskar]

Love seeing all these people who know how Square Enix's server structure and code all works.. That's besides the point. It doesn't help when people bark on wanting an new glamour system asap either. We get one with areas for improvement and it's whine whine whine. You either get what we have now or wait even LONGER for it.

Is this a good starting point. Yes.
Could it be vastly improved. Yes.
Is 200 slots a bit low for glamour gear. Yes and No. People always want more inventory but in this case, we are getting 200 extra free inventory slots. Not to mention the stacks to 999.. They've already acknowledged that 200 is lower than what they want and so this will probably get improved in the future.
Do we want the servers to go boom immediately when everyone rushes to the inn room to start on all of this? No, not really.

People keep on comparing it to WoW.. what people are forgetting is that when WoW first introduced their Transmog.. It was literally this system we have now give or take. There was no option for EVERY piece of gear to be displayed, where to get it etc. We have to go and do what we do now. Either farm for an item, craft it etc. It wasn't until Legion I think when they allowed you to see every single piece of gear in the game and that was around 4/5 years after Transmog was introduced!

Could the system be better. Yes it could well be better but for the time being, I am happy with what they are doing. They can then gather stats, focus on improving the servers once they know how often people are accessing this thing and adjust their plans accordingly.

[Ghastly]

Is it 10 ensembles per job? That's really good o.o what more do you people want?

[Tigerlilley]

Is it 10 ensembles per job? That's really good o.o what more do you people want?

It is not.

It's 10 ensembles only.

[Tigerlilley]

Love seeing all these people who know how Square Enix's server structure and code all works.. That's besides the point. It doesn't help when people bark on wanting an new glamour system asap either. We get one with areas for improvement and it's whine whine whine. You either get what we have now or wait even LONGER for it.

Honestly, I'd be totally ok to wait longer. They said it would be a complete glamour overhaul. If it takes time to get it right then ok. Let's take that time. Because I'd rather not see another housing type issue where they are completely and utterly backed into a corner with how to grow with the game because the initial starting structure was not a great idea.