Liveblog JP - Yoshi P's 4.2 Housing Plan Discussion

[Siniztor]

1. I didn't say you were mad, I said you would be mad if you couldn't get a house in that scenario. You said yourself that your immersion requires 3 houses, if you can't have those 3 houses you would be just as angry as the other people.

2. Ok well once again I was given bad info, from what i've heard and been told it's been 30 days so nothing I can do about that.

3. I never claimed buying more than one house was an exploit, obviously it's not or they would have fixed it. What I was saying was that it's like an exploit in the sense that just because it's there, aka just because there's more than 1 house up for sale doesn't mean you need to buy more than one.

4. Obviously buying multiple houses isn't the main reason but it sure doesn't help either.

Let's just drop this, it's really getting nowhere fast, neither of us are going to convince that the other side is right or wrong in this situation.

I can agree to disagree happy adventures

One last note since you said you were given bad info. heres the info on house demo in case you wanna read it https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...3e7ccabefa9954

[joshdavis271]

If I have to give up one of my houses I would like to be reimbursed with the gil that I paid for it.

[Maoska]

If I have to give up one of my houses I would like to be reimbursed with the gil that I paid for it.

If they decide to evict people who own more than one house I doubt they'll do that without return all gil they payed for that plot.

[AriesMouse]

Just because there are open lots doesn't mean that you should take more than one for yourself...

This is a literal moment of "Don't hate the player, hate the game" / "Working as intended". People can be as upset as they want about it, but the people that own more than one home are not doing anything wrong, morally or otherwise.

Imagine that the houses are little cupcakes on a tray at a shop. SE are the bakers of these cupcakes. Now, for every cupcake you want, you pay a fee (gil, and a sub fee if you think about it, since having more than one character costs more monthly).

Now imagine that the Bakers at this shop (SE), suddenly put up a sign to encourage more business for the shop. This is overall, a good thing. The bad thing is, all of the cupcakes are now suddenly gone, paid for and devoured. Now, is it the fault of the patrons of the shop that were there first, and already paid and eaten their cupcakes fairly as the shop encouraged them to, or is it the fault of the bakers for not planning ahead and baking enough? I'd say it falls onto the head of the shop keepers, not the patrons.

Do not blame people, or shame them, for doing not only what they were allowed to do, but straight up encouraged to do. If SE didn't want people to own more than one house, they would have limited housing from day one. They also would not make it a point to highlight housing so much as a feature, give characters housing items from quest rewards, and so on. The bakers placed out a lovely tray of highly desirable cupcakes, but then knowingly did not bake enough for the whole community, and invited them to come and sample the cakes anyways.

[Okamimaru]

I'll never understand how people can play 8 characters enough that they can justify owning a house or 2 for each one...

As for the argument that paying for 8 characters entitles a player to as many houses as they can get, what about those who also pay for 8 characters who can't even get one because they've all been taken by people like you? Shoe on the other foot you'd be just as pissed off as the people are now... and you cant say you wouldn't be because housing is so important to you that you have one or 2 on every character you have.

[Siniztor]

I'll never understand how people can play 8 characters enough that they can justify owning a house or 2 for each one...
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Thats fine, you may not understand why someone bangs there head on savage mode, or why someone pays 10s of millions on glamour, or under stand why someone would grind for hours on end for a gold horse or or gold bird. People play games differntly and for differnt reasons.

As it stands now and has stood for 3+ years your allowed by to buy a personal house on every character that meets the requirements. Theres no reason to justify following the rules as SE has given us, Im sorry im a rule follower???

As a lot of people have said point the anger at SE for not enough supply for a service they offer everyone...There not even close like not even in the same state as the ballpark lol when it comes to the number of homes vs players. Take the latest unoffical census if you go to the advance population tab and add up just the NA Current Population ( thats all characters not accounts on the server) add up all 25 NA servers you get 362,102 characters..Theres 302,735 subsctiptions and the number of houses on NA 72,000. They can afford im sure to up there server space heck just from NA subs they make 302,735 x $14.99 =
$4,537,997.65 a MONTH lol
There not broke lol thats not counting retainers mog shop items.Or EU/JP income

Census https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1403196545

[Claviusnex]

While additional housing needs to be added allowing alts to access a single dwelling based on the account and server would help as well.

[New_Game_Plus]

If they decide to evict people who own more than one house I doubt they'll do that without return all gil they payed for that plot.

I really hope that's the case.

[worldofneil]

If they decide to evict people who own more than one house I doubt they'll do that without return all gil they payed for that plot.

I don't see how SE can do that in any sort of fair way. Sure they can refund the actual property itself, but what about time/effort for everything else that went into it? They can't refund that.

Even if the person gets to keep all the furniture, it's next to useless without somewhere to actually display it and that furniture was either bought (not impossible, but tricky to work out how much gil was paid) or crafted (time/effort) or a mixture of both.

Same for the exterior "walls", they can be a real pain to make, especially with the bigger houses and you don't even get them back once they're placed on the structure.

What about the the actual time and effort that went into decorating it... what price is put on that?

And then finally... the time levelling up that character to get the house, including levelling up in the grand company. That's either real world money if they bought it on the mogstation or a lot of time (we all know getting to 50 and second lieutenant isn't hard, but it's also not instant either).

Sure SE could can pick a flat amount, like they do if you have a house and you transfer to a preferred world, but that's still the persons choice to give it up/take that money. They're not forced to change world so they're not forced to give up their house.

Everyone seems to agree, whether they like it or not, that the people with multiple houses didn't do anything wrong because it's always been designed like that, so if they are to restrict housing in future, grandfathering in existing people is the only fair way.

And just to clarify I'm not biased because it wouldn't affect me. I do have two personal houses, but on two different accounts/two different subscriptions.

[Blackcrow]

Thats fine, you may not understand why someone bangs there head on savage mode, or why someone pays 10s of millions on glamour, or under stand why someone would grind for hours on end for a gold horse or or gold bird. People play games differntly and for differnt reasons.

The thing is that wether you do that or not it doesn't stop others from doing that, while hoarding all the plots does.
Everything you say to justify your greed is bs.

The lesson you'll learn when you grow up eventually is the difference between Can I/Should I