Quote Originally Posted by SwarleyMcSwarls View Post
If you don't want a job with defensive utility in a raise then why are you playing red mage? You're just being salty and only proving a point to yourself with your comments. That's not how you have a productive conversation.
The argument is that the problem with rdm's utility is that most of it might as well not exist.

To do the tired comparison, pair it with bard. Rdm has VerRaise, VerCure, Embolden. Bard has crit buff on song, Battle Voice, The Warden's Paean, Troubador, and Nature's Minne. Now, I'm not going to go into the intricacies of the comparisons here, but I will point out two things. 1) bard brings a greater volume of utility to the table. 2) It does not actively hurt the bard to use any of this utility.

Red mage does not like to use vercure as utility(vercure is actually technically a minor dps gain in most fights). Trading at least 240 potency for a weak cure is bad, since the healers can use their GCD to heal much more effeciently at a much lesser trade-off of dps. Which means one thing: If you're put into a situation where you need to vercure in order to clear, the party is massively failing the content. Utility that depends on your party not doing their job should not be weighed in the balance of the class. By the same token, verraise has the same issue. it costs 300 potency for something the healer would lose less damage to do, and is something that only becomes useful when the party is failing. ... Which leaves us with embolden. Exactly embolden, which amounts to being an average 6% buff to damage that doesn't even affect all of the damage that the red mage himself deals, while also not benefitting the type of caster composition that would help a red mage out.

So I ask this: Why should red mage, which has less utility than 5 of the 8 other DPS classes, deal the least damage out of all of them? If VerRaise is being used as a justification for this low damage, get rid of it as it is now, because in any content that matters where you need more than 3 rezzes, the pull is doomed to fail anyway.