Either SMN and RDM should lose their Raise or BLM should get a Raise.

[EllieShadeflare]

Also Phoenix (the summon) is a thing. Like, it was a mass rez.

That said, the reason SMN has a raise is because Arcanist (a FFXIV-class designed specifically for the game) does.

[dinnertime]

SMN having Ressurection is fine. RDM's Verraise should be unaffected by Dualcast or at least has a drawback of some form (like double MP cost).

[PrismaticDaybreak]

SMN having Ressurection is fine. RDM's Verraise should be unaffected by Dualcast or at least has a drawback of some form (like double MP cost).

50% of our MP for a Raise, totally fair. So the rest of our spells get half the MP cost and 25% more damage right?

[Shiroe]

if SE trys to fast fix blm, by giving blm rez (insteas of other
options/fixes), think I'd cry...

atm smn doesnt even need rez (but wouldn' t take it away from smn away either)

atm:
smn>rdm>blm

1) smn: high dps + good utility + high mobility + high punishment (deaths, pets, aetherflows)

2) rdm: constant dps + high utility + good mobility + low punishment
(overall a close behind smn, but still very loved, that rez is still insane)

3) blm: good dps + no utility (unless cross class skill: manashift <.<) + bad mobility (even if it was worse in the past) + high punishment (lose a single cast is bad for blm, biggest lose of all classes;.. dying before foul is up, is bad too, even if smn is be punished harder at deaths)

[Shiroe]

smn has "gameplay" and pet issues, and its not as smooth as rdm, ... but smn is overall the best caster atm for pfs, speed kils and possibly prog kills > just needs gameplay slight fixes

rdm is like samurai (= its design has almost no flaws, its close to "perfect" in its own way + low punishment.. and easy to get into), and the best rez of all classes + loved embolden, .. just with lower dps than smn and blm (but in new fights or heavy movment fights, overall not low dps either) and very good for prog > rdm is fine as it is, super rez should stay unchanged


.. blm is the real issue caster atm (wierd B4, losing enochian when casting fire 1 under ice, losing HP on convert, no utility but does damage like utility dps, punishment is high but less rewarding dps, etc...), but giving it rez would be imo bad, ... even if I can understand how "new blm" might be kind of jealous of rez, seeing other casters (rdm & smn) saving others like a hero..

[Dualgunner]

if SE trys to fast fix blm, by giving blm rez (insteas of other
options/fixes), think I'd cry...

Agreed.

atm smn doesnt even need rez (but wouldn' t take it away from smn away either)

I have no real opinion here.

atm:
smn>rdm>blm

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#boss=42
SMN>BLM>RDM (RDM < everything)
https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#boss=43
SMN>BLM>RDM (BRD<RDM<Everything)
https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#boss=44
SMN> Everything
Oh, sorry. SMN>BLM>RDM (RDM<Everything)
https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#boss=45
SMN>Everything. Notice it's not even greater by small margins here.
SMN>BLM>RDM (BRD<RDM<Everything)
https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#boss=46
SMN>BLM>RDM (BRD<RDM<Everything)

I used the 75th percentile because it's the best median between the average and the uber. Feel free to peruse the many different percentiles though. To be sure here's the entire tier at 75th:
https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#
At 99th:
https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#dataset=99
At 50th:
https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#dataset=50
25th:
https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#dataset=25
And at 10th:
https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#dataset=10

SMN is almost constantly at the very top, above samurai and *well* above black mage. Meanwhile RDM is wrestling BRD in every fight for last place, when BRD offers more damage utility than RDM does in every circumstance.

1) smn: high dps + good utility + high mobility + high punishment (deaths, pets, aetherflows)

Everyone is punished by death. Yes, even RDM. They reduced the pain of death for pets at least too.
"Dying with aetherflow on cooldown sucks" Yes, so does dying with manafy on cooldown. And/or embolden. After getting to 100/100 and getting ready to lay down a double verfinisher. Dying may be a horrible catastrophic event for SMN but it doesn't do for them to act like everyone else can just get back up and brush the dirt off their shoulders and get back to it.

2) rdm: constant dps + high utility + good mobility + low punishment
(overall a close behind smn, but still very loved, that rez is still insane)

Rez is useless in content that matters: you die in Ultimate, you wipe from everything I've seen. Even for prog as has been pointed out, SMN brings too much more pain than RDM. Oh, and Radiant Shield from everything I've seen far surpasses Embolden too. I don't get where you see it's so loved.

As far as constant...I dunno. My DPS always plummets when I die so maybe I just suck at the game. I'd say "weaksauce" is a better descriptor for its dps though.

3) blm: good dps + no utility (unless cross class skill: manashift <.<) + bad mobility (even if it was worse in the past) + high punishment (lose a single cast is bad for blm, biggest lose of all classes;.. dying before foul is up, is bad too, even if smn is be punished harder at deaths)

Mediocre dps + no utility.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

"Red Mage has no issues" -Black Mages, probably (actually). Embolden isn't loved, it's barely a party favor, it's more like that guy who just brings dip to a potluck, it's far from loved. Yes, the best Rez that costs you GCD's and 25% of your mana to cover for your embarrassingly dead teammates. RDM is not fine as is. We're the bottom rung except for 1 fight.

[Shiroe]

on fflogs, yes blm>rdm when looking at dps alone...

rdm rez, embolden, overall easy to handle, still has good dps in new fights (1st clears) and movment heavy fights, .. just not "top dps"

still say atm overall (not just pure dps), smn>rdm>blm

[Dualgunner]

on fflogs, yes blm>rdm when looking at dps alone...

rdm rez, embolden, overall easy to handle, still has good dps in new fights (1st clears) and movment heavy fights, .. just not "top dps"

still say atm overall (not just pure dps), smn>rdm>blm

I have to agree to disagree here.

RDM's rez useless in farms, useless in fights where any player's death = wipe, and tying a job's entire balance to that one skill has led to RDM now being functionally useless. The Dev team has already stated they do not balance jobs around ease of use as well. Finally: for first clears? It's fine, I suppose. After that though, Summoner destroys it.

Embolden's rDPS still doesn't put RDM anywhere NEAR BLM. And those are the only two utilities that RDM brings: does that justify it being as weak as the utility god BRD?

[Shiroe]

every class gets "punished" when dying (having to rebuild bars etc.) ... but as it is now, smn gets punished hard at deaths and blm gets punished hard for any mistakes, ... rdm is still overall the most forgiving caster (unless you somehow build up dark mana fullly and no white mana;.. but a blm dying when enochian is on cd is more likely)