Dev Team, show me you care about your players because I just don't see it (long read)

[Uriko]

You get to choose 10 skills from other classes. You're telling me that you would use 3 skill slots to get Aegis boon, Deflection, and Outmaneuver?

I personally don't use any of them (I don't use a shield, so it never was a concern for me). The point is that if mages want to use slots for the shield skills they should be able to- having to level a completely different class is an unneeded extra amount of grind. At least with the old system, you could use the shield on CNJ/THM and play mage while getting your shield skills. Now if you do want the shield-focused skills, you have to level a class that you might have no interest in playing.

To be honest, the shield skills should have been Gladiator ones from the very start, rather than having Sentinel as a separate class. That way this problem might not have happened. People are just irritated that they need to grind more to get abilities that they may have already learned.

As I said, we do need to wait and see how SE are handling the skill changes, but it doesn't change the amount of extra grinding THM/CNJ players need to do if they want shield skills again. Doesn't affect me personally but I can see why some players are up in arms.

[RemVye]

I personally don't use any of them (I don't use a shield, so it never was a concern for me). The point is that if mages want to use slots for the shield skills they should be able to- having to level a completely different class is an unneeded extra amount of grind. At least with the old system, you could use the shield on CNJ/THM and play mage while getting your shield skills. Now if you do want the shield-focused skills, you have to level a class that you might have no interest in playing.

To be honest, the shield skills should have been Gladiator ones from the very start, rather than having Sentinel as a separate class. That way this problem might not have happened. People are just irritated that they need to grind more to get abilities that they may have already learned.

As I said, we do need to wait and see how SE are handling the skill changes, but it doesn't change the amount of extra grinding THM/CNJ players need to do if they want shield skills again. Doesn't affect me personally but I can see why some players are up in arms.

Don't get me wrong, I understand where the argument is coming from. But, this is what you get with the armory system. If you want to be as effective as you can, efficient as you can, the best that you can be... you will have to level other classes.

You could complain the same thing for any class, holding the fact that classes are solo / light parties and jobs will be for full party / end game. "I don't want to level pug to get second wind" "i dont want to level con to get cure" "i dont want to level thm to get sacrifice" "i dont want to level lancer to get invigorate" "i dont want to level mrd to get bloodbath / defender" "i dont want to level archer to get out of sight / quickstride"
-- "i dont want to level gladiator to get shield skills" With out some of the above skills solo play on a melee would be pretty hardcore.

So don't do it if you don't want to. When jobs come out this shouldn't be an issue if you're in a full party anyway.

New players won't know any different, old players know ahead of time and can "prepare", but really like I said what serious mage doesn't have gladiator to 36 for sentinel? Sentinel is 10x better than any shield skill, and has been deemed all but essential for Ifrit.

[Coglin]

My issue is that every time they make a change that effect the OP he makes a new threads trying to explain how he was personally effected by the change, and how he should be compensated. He had a thread detailing how anyone who leveled conjurer to be a nuker should now be given a buff of THM to 50 so they can play BLM. Now he is claiming some warped chaim of logic to justify why he should have a his gladiator class buffed to 50 because of sentinal changes.

Its not enough that you have been playing free for a year, but now there are a few that want classes buffed to 50 for no effort as well.

With that mentality, everyone who leveled an archer because of its high damage output should get there lancer class buffed to 50 for nothing. As well as all those who leveled a gladiator should get marauder buffed to 50 for free as well.

Since we are on the subject, I leveled goldsmith. Goldsmith recieved a hosing compared to the other DoH in the last update. All my items I make are deemed dated. By the OPs logic, I should be allowed to choose another DoH class and get it freely buffed to 50 as well.

[weeble]

DEATH TO ALL DPS MAGES!!!! ...that is all. tyvm.

[Uriko]

Don't get me wrong, I understand where the argument is coming from. But, this is what you get with the armory system. If you want to be as effective as you can, efficient as you can, the best that you can be... you will have to level other classes.

You could complain the same thing for any class, holding the fact that classes are solo / light parties and jobs will be for full party / end game. "I don't want to level pug to get second wind" "i dont want to level con to get cure" "i dont want to level thm to get sacrifice" "i dont want to level lancer to get invigorate" "i dont want to level mrd to get bloodbath / defender" "i dont want to level archer to get out of sight / quickstride"
-- "i dont want to level gladiator to get shield skills" With out some of the above skills solo play on a melee would be pretty hardcore.

So don't do it if you don't want to. When jobs come out this shouldn't be an issue if you're in a full party anyway.

New players won't know any different, old players know ahead of time and can "prepare", but really like I said what serious mage doesn't have gladiator to 36 for sentinel? Sentinel is 10x better than any shield skill, and has been deemed all but essential for Ifrit.

The main difference being that many of these mages have already leveled Sentinel for the abilities, and will now be required to level a class to get the same abilities again. That'd be like leveling MRD to 48 for Defender II (regardless of whether you like MRD or not) , then Defender II getting switched to another class. I know shield leveling was a bit easier because you could do it on the fly at the same time as GLA/THM/CNJ, but the basic principle is the same.

No-one is asking for GLA to be leveled for free as 'payment' for losing shield skills, it just strikes me as odd that the dev team would wait this long to switch the skillset over. Obviously 1.20 is preparation for jobs in 1.21 but some of the changes seem to have come without much warning. Remember that not everyone has all DoW/DoM classes at 50; particularly newer players who might not have had time yet. You have to see it from both sides; if you were a CNJ/THM player who hadn't leveled GLA and all of your shield abilities suddenly disappeared you'd probably be a bit annoyed that you now need to level GLA as well.

For me, leveling Gladiator to get Sentinel was never a priority (I can't stand GLA so honestly the thought never occurred to me), so while I admit most 50 CNJ/THM will already have Sentinel, there will be a lot who are still adversely affected by the changes. All that can be said is to learn to adapt to them, but I think this is why a lot of people are kicking off over it. I really need to see a full list of the changes lined up before I make any decisions really.

[NoctisUmbra]

I'd say wait until they release info on the class reforms in detail with part 2. What makes you so sure that CON/THM won't gain actions/traits that make use of the shield in a more magey way?

The thead is silly, because as always Neptune is complaining about something we know nothing about. Complaining/discussing over speculation is a pastime at best, and should never be taken seriously.

[Aenarion]

thanks OP, your post has given me a few minutes of laughter.

though it did further lower my outlook for the future of mankind.

[RemVye]

The main difference being that many of these mages have already leveled Sentinel for the abilities, and will now be required to level a class to get the same abilities again. That'd be like leveling MRD to 48 for Defender II (regardless of whether you like MRD or not) , then Defender II getting switched to another class. I know shield leveling was a bit easier because you could do it on the fly at the same time as GLA/THM/CNJ, but the basic principle is the same.

No-one is asking for GLA to be leveled for free as 'payment' for losing shield skills, it just strikes me as odd that the dev team would wait this long to switch the skillset over. Obviously 1.20 is preparation for jobs in 1.21 but some of the changes seem to have come without much warning. Remember that not everyone has all DoW/DoM classes at 50; particularly newer players who might not have had time yet. You have to see it from both sides; if you were a CNJ/THM player who hadn't leveled GLA and all of your shield abilities suddenly disappeared you'd probably be a bit annoyed that you now need to level GLA as well.

For me, leveling Gladiator to get Sentinel was never a priority (I can't stand GLA so honestly the thought never occurred to me), so while I admit most 50 CNJ/THM will already have Sentinel, there will be a lot who are still adversely affected by the changes. All that can be said is to learn to adapt to them, but I think this is why a lot of people are kicking off over it. I really need to see a full list of the changes lined up before I make any decisions really.

You do realize they are switching around abilities and actions right.... and there is a pretty high chance that Gladiator may get Defender.

You were made fully aware that the abilities of each class were going to be re-arranged and distributed, so I fail to see your complaint.

As far as having Sentinel skills on a mage, I've never used them... had zero need. The classes themselves have sufficient defensive abilities and offensive to carry me through any leve, quest, party, or dungeon.

[Ilean]

Actually I did vote against drastic changes, but I was seriously on the fence.

{That's too bad}, next time be more careful what you vote.

For now stop whining.

[Gao]

Two words: L, O, L, oh wait that's Three O_o... Sometimes I think that topics now are complaints rather then feedback...