4.1 Dark Knight Feedback and fixes

[Chrono_Rising]

This Delirium Buff kinda popped into my head while driving, will edit original post and leave this here:
Delirium
Cost 50 Blood
Returns 2400 mp
Grants the beneficial status of Grit while ignoring the damage penalty of Grit, grants access to blood weapon and blood price.
Duration 30 seconds
recast: 2 minutes

I always feel the grit effects are so powerful and hate giving them up when I drop grit to do damage. Hopefully this is the best of both worlds, granting us a 20% damage mitigation, higher potencies, self sustain, and more resource regeneration. This would give us the best of both worlds for a short period of time.

[Aana]

This Delirium Buff kinda popped into my head while driving, will edit original post and leave this here:
Delirium
Cost 50 Blood
Returns 2400 mp
Grants the beneficial status of Grit while ignoring the damage penalty of Grit, activates blood weapon and blood price.
Duration 30 seconds
recast: 2 minutes

I always feel the grit effects are so powerful and hate giving them up when I drop grit to do damage. Hopefully this is the best of both worlds, granting us a 20% damage mitigation, higher potencies, self sustain, and more resource regeneration. This would give us the best of both worlds for a short period of time.

So this would be a 2 min CD with 30 sec duration with the effects of all 3 abilities (Grit DR, mana on hit, mana being hit, atk speed), but not actually activate them? Or you mean 'activates bloodweapon/price, status of grit' as in they go on CD and are actually in grit when its over?

[Chrono_Rising]

I mean like both Blood weapon and blood price activate for the 15 seconds and being put on CD. In my mind you would end in the stance you started in.

In grit this would just drop the damage penalties and give access to blood weapon.

Out of grit this would give the defensive 20% of grit, the 2400 mana from siphon, HP steal from soul eater, access to blood price, and higher bloodspiller potencies.

The idea is to function like unchained, except this would give us access to the abilities of the “other” stance as well.

[Mycow8me]

Like to add that i think grit costing mp and being on global is dumb, why both? Either cost mp and be off global or on global and cost no mp.

Edit: To be completely honest I'd rather it just be an instant with a cooldown of 10-15 seconds that dont cost mp but I'd settle for even a small change.

[TouchandFeel]

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I'm not really a fan of Delirium activating BP and BW, I feel it removes too much fine control from the player.

A similar idea that I had earlier this week was to have Delirium, in addition to restoring MP, removing the stance restriction for BP and BW for a short amount of time, creating a window to be able to use either, or both, no matter what stance you are in.

If this was then paired with the oft made suggestion of adding a low-end % damage received down effect (10-15%?) added to BP, it would make Delirium into a gateway ability to a bit more offense in Tank stance and a bit more defense out of it, while also killing two birds with one stone (well technically two stones I guess), by providing two highly requested things: another small defensive CD and access to BW in Grit.

Also Delirium could really use a shorter recast, I think 90s seems about good.

As for the Soul Eater heal out of Grit, I think that is something that should be handled independently and not necessarily tied to an ability.

[Chrono_Rising]

I'm not really a fan of Delirium activating BP and BW, I feel it removes too much fine control from the player.

A similar idea that I had earlier this week was to have Delirium, in addition to restoring MP, removing the stance restriction for BP and BW for a short amount of time, creating a window to be able to use either, or both, no matter what stance you are in.

I agree about the blood weapon and blood price, that is not exactly what I meant either. I edited the post to say "grants access to..." which I believe matches your idea fairly closely.

If this was then paired with the oft made suggestion of adding a low-end % damage received down effect (10-15%?) added to BP, it would make Delirium into a gateway ability to a bit more offense in Tank stance and a bit more defense out of it, while also killing two birds with one stone (well technically two stones I guess), by providing two highly requested things: another small defensive CD and access to BW in Grit.

My suggestion for delirium actually bakes in the damage reduction from grit into delirium, so I'm not sure further defensive CD's are necessary. Also, in what I'm suggesting bloodspiller would have the grit potency while ignoring the damage penalty, which means TBN becomes priority 1 which is even more defense.

Also Delirium could really use a shorter recast, I think 90s seems about good.

As for the Soul Eater heal out of Grit, I think that is something that should be handled independently and not necessarily tied to an ability.

I think if Delirium gave such a powerful ability as I've suggested it would justify to 2 minute cooldown. If delirium stays the way it is I think its cooldown should be drastically reduced, like to 60 seconds. The 8 second buff to blood weapon doesn't justify a long cooldown, and the strength of blood price doesn't justify only getting 16 seconds more.

[Mycow8me]

I'm gonna sound harsh saying this but blood weapon is practically button bloat. Literally all they have to do is make DRKs passively gain MP from all combos instead of just syphon strike. Blood weapon could have been a form of HP drain attacks or hefty blood gauge chunks gained per attack but instead its just MP. I feel like the more I look at this class the more I find problems now and its really disheartening. Hope SE really is looking into changes for this class.

Edit: To top it off blood weapon makes doubleweaving even harder or impossible without clipping with its speed bonus. Due to my connection 120+ping its impossible, not sure about others.

[Xenosan]

I'd like SwO/ShO taken off the GCD, and Grit should lose the MP cost. There are cost-free Spells/Weaponskills in the game already, so it wouldn't be something new to strip the MP cost from Grit.

And if they could adjust Grit-off so you don't have to wait until ~33% remaining of the globalCD for the deactivation input to be received that would be much thanked QoL. Would like to be able to double weave (without the second oGCD having to go in before Grit-Off)

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If Drk's kit could be summarized with two categorical terms, they would be:

- Lemons
and
- Abilities called Blood Weapon

Though I understand what you mean,

[Aana]

Stuff about taking pld/drk stances off GCD

I know ill get some flak for this, but theres a reason defiance is OGCD and 'free' and pld/drks aren't. When you turn on grit/oath you immediately receive mitigation while defiance gives you nada. The second you make them OGCD you just made them into 10 sec recast ramparts.

Pld/Drk:
TB coming: Shield oath/Grit on!
*3 sec and free rampart later
Sword oath/click grit off!

War:
TB coming:
um I guess....FELL CLEAVE!!!

The second that the grit/oaths become OGCD we will have problems. Its not just about 'costing resources'. Its about preventing stances from being abused like a CD.

Right now for war to get the similar effect we have to Defiance>IB. That costs resources and damage, just like oaths/grit.

[TouchandFeel]

My suggestion for delirium actually bakes in the damage reduction from grit into delirium, so I'm not sure further defensive CD's are necessary. Also, in what I'm suggesting bloodspiller would have the grit potency while ignoring the damage penalty, which means TBN becomes priority 1 which is even more defense.

I realize that, however the change only benefits defense when out of tank stance. What I was suggesting benefits the player universally no matter the stance they are in. By going the route of Delirium providing the benefits of Grit outside of the stance, it just makes it too reliant on having to be out of Grit to be worthwhile.