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  1. #51
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    hydralus's Avatar
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    Keiho Fukiku
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by SenorPatty View Post
    Its the job that gets even more flak than the tank.
    If tanks were constantly standing around doing nothing once they established aggro I'm sure there'd be more flak to them. And you'd better believe I'm telling DPS that have no idea what an AoE is that they should be slamming that in large packs.

    And there's really not a lot of wiggle room on what a healer should/shouldn't be doing. Healer's priority is to make sure the tank isn't going to drop, and beyond that if they have nothing else to do with their MP they can toss in one of their many damage skills. Much like a tank's first priority is to keep aggro, and to also use their literal free mitigation skills. There's no argument against either aside from "I don't want to".

    There's different skill levels and situations, for sure. And long as people seem like they're putting in an effort I've got no complaints. A tank pulling 3 groups at a time and you have to spam heals to keep them up? No worries. Setting yourself to /follow because selene can keep the tank alive, a bit rude.
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    Last edited by hydralus; 10-11-2017 at 03:58 PM.

  2. #52
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    Hasrat's Avatar
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    Hashmael Lightswain
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    Zalera
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mikki View Post
    for a mercy, the dragon only ever spat poison at me and the archer
    That's actually really good to hear, that those sorts of attacks/mechanics might still target the NPCs.
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  3. #53
    Player Steel_Arrow's Avatar
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    Steel Arrow
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    Jenova
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 70
    You can't tell them where to stand, which results in the healer just standing there while the tonberry stalker stabs her to death. If the healer dies to that (she will), you can't tell it to release, and you can't raise it yourself unless you happen to be playing summoner. So you just wind up with a party full of NPCs watching the dead healer derp all over the ground until you finally give up and abandon the duty.

    That's not a well-done AI, sorry not sorry.
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  4. #54
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    KageTokage's Avatar
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    Alijana Tumet
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Steel_Arrow View Post
    If the healer dies to that (she will), you can't tell it to release, and you can't raise it yourself unless you happen to be playing summoner.
    If i'm not mistaken, there's a use item that can revive squadron members. I got one as a reward from a mission, and I think you can buy them with seals, too.

    Can't deny that the healer AI sucks, though.
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  5. #55
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    Waliel's Avatar
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    Waliel Hla
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    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Tsumdere View Post
    For some bizarre reason, the AI of the healer went full freaky right before the second boss. I pulled the second boss, DPS followed but she... LITERALLY... STOOD... OUTSIDE... AND WATCHED ME FOR THE WHOLE 30 SECONDS. Then the room locked. The poor ACN tried to keep me up but it was no use. Wipe.
    This reminds me of my first test run of Squadrons in Halatali as a tank and how a LNC randomly decided to run into frontal AoE, stand still and take the hit, and then run back behind the boss to continue DPS. I couldn't help but think that they really nailed the Lancer AI perfectly.
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    Yoshi-P is doing his best and is patching Endwalker. Please wait warmly until it is ready.

  6. #56
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    Remedi's Avatar
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    Remedi Maxwell
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    Cerberus
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    From my perspective: The game triggers react to players presence and it seems that it doesn't work on bots, which means that the player will be the one targeted by random boss attacks, this can be used to work around puddles and all, however it also means that mobs spawned by player presence will only react to us and not to passing squadron members which can be good or bad depending on the situation
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  7. #57
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    MicahZerrshia's Avatar
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    Character
    Nadja Zielle
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 100
    In Halatali tonight and the tank ran back and forth between the lil fireball adds on first boss so when there were two lines of them coming out he ran back and forth between them, never reaching them.

    They stood in the electrified water on second boss and didn't attack adds unless specifically told to and the healer died on boss because she stood in the fire circle around the boss as the tank ran circles around the arena confused by the fire sprites and balls everywhere and the dps just kept attacking an invincible boss. Even when I directed them to the fire sprites they just kept doing their thing.
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  8. #58
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    Cabalabob's Avatar
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    Gunsa Cabalabob
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 90
    I've been enjoying them so far, as with others my only issue has been the tank running around wildly collecting adds, wasn't an issue in halatali because you're meant to break off and kill them, but in wanderers palace you're not meant to do that, you're just supposed to let the tonberries come to you, and you're still not even meant to kill em. Would be nice if we could use focus target to make the squad engage specific enemies and not go off to attack other mobs unless you order it.

    E.G. Focus target tonberry king and press engage, they'll all attack the tonberry king and not break off unless you select a tonberry add and press engage, then they can run around killing adds until you press engage on the focus target again making them all focus on the king again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilthas View Post
    The anonymity of the internet is what leads people to become jerks online.

    You could make a game where all you did was run through fields of flowers holding hands and you'd still get a guy telling you you're doing it wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mcshiggs View Post
    Everyone knows you skip through fields of flowers holding hands, running noobs need to go back to WoW.

  9. #59
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    Antonio_Xul's Avatar
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    Edgar Xerxes
    World
    Zalera
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 95
    I tried this out and it was fun, but weird at the same time. I did Wanderer's Palace as a Samurai with Gladiator, Arcanist & White Mage NPCs. I had a smooth run until King Tonberry with the same issue as everyone. Almost killed it, but died anyways. I abandoned and took them to Stone Vigil and that was a lot better. At the final boss they kept standing in the ice path, because they kept following the boss and ended up wiping. I then figured to use the disengage when it flies and that worked. They follow me away from AOEs, then re-engage and we beat it easily. I might have to give it a go as a tank and the try healer and see how that goes. Tank feels like that might be the way to go through this, though.
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  10. #60
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    Remedi's Avatar
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    Remedi Maxwell
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    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Cabalabob View Post
    E.G. Focus target tonberry king and press engage, they'll all attack the tonberry king and not break off unless you select a tonberry add and press engage, then they can run around killing adds until you press engage on the focus target again making them all focus on the king again.
    Ye I think that our use of the commands is the key, although I kinda wish there were more commands avaible to us
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