Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[bounddreamer]

Emphasis mine. Im seeing more of this lately, and ive been wondering what the cause is. Did we finally drive away most of the good tanks(like we previously did with healers)? Is it an influx of bads buying jump potions and never learning to play properly? Entitled DPS leveling tanks roles just to cut in line on the que? After the last month or so, ive seriously considered advising new players to tank if they have a god complex. And at some point soon im going to become part of the problem, as leveling DRK is getting closer and closer to the top of my to do list. I'll be awful, but ill only be doing it for the panther and ill try to put as few lives in danger as possible.

I can't speak for all tank mains, but most of us leveled up our tanks first and don't really need to touch leveling roulette right now unless we're going for the bonus or the mount. I've experienced a lot of bad tanks too, as I level other jobs, including a squishy WAR in Bardem's Mettle who overpulled, turned off tank stance too much, and used Thrill of Battle as their only cooldown. He died four times during the course of the run, we wiped once, and all of it was his fault. The party at large clearly thought it was mine.

Once I'm done getting these last few jobs to 70 I'll start doing leveling roulette again...but it'll probably be awful

[Ulfhade]

Time to throw some sunshine in this thread:

So I've had the urge to brush the dust of my WHM and finally play it for the first time since...2.2 I'd hazard a guess. Ran a Leveling and 50/60 roulette to more or less jump into the deep end of the pool. Thankfully I pay SCH, so I have a good feel on healing in general, but still wanted to get the kinks out for WHM. First time I ended up getting Aurem Vale and Quarn HM which was a bundle of fun, but I adjusted my hotbar a little and felt good about trying again. So today, I hit up Leveling, hope that I don't get AV again, but RNG still hates me as much as ever, and much to my fear, I see that familiar dungeon. I let the party know I'm rusty, and notice that our tank is viewing cutscene. Turns out, they're a newbie to the instance!

I'm afraid this'll go the route of my first AV run where all the mobs nommed on our faces and we wipe a few times, but I get to be most pleasantly surprised! Our tank lets us know they're new, listen to our advice about the rooms and fruit, and pulled smart! I got to throw in some damage and really start to get the feel for WHM while they did amazing work grabbing any extra mobs and keeping the hate up. They were so polite and the dps were on point for being helpful and doing great work burning the mobs. Man, makes me excited about how there are still some really awesome new players still joining.

[JumperX]

I can't speak for all tank mains, but most of us leveled up our tanks first and............

Such a contradiction in there. Just cuz you met or made friends who decided to do the same thing as you it doesn't mean it is most of the players that main the tank jobs. I actually lvl my tanks doing leves till i hit lvl16 and from then on use DFs to get to 70. I met and made a lot of friends who does the same.

I got in a df and one of the dps would run away from the entrance without my buffs then in the first boss they decided to not group and get the buff the npc gave to reflect the boss swing and was KO and blame me cuz I didn't heal them. Good thing we were able to kick them cuz they wouldnt stop arguing on how he was KO cuz he wasnt heal and protect was never casted while the other members got protect and way to run the dungeon as a team ibstead of run ahead and try to finish it as a solo run.

[Miste]

Emphasis mine. Im seeing more of this lately, and ive been wondering what the cause is. Did we finally drive away most of the good tanks(like we previously did with healers)?

Well speaking for myself I dislike playing tank since people seem to be very passive aggressive towards tanks.

No one wants to just speak up and ask for what they want; they expect me to read their mind. Like I have said before...you try to speed run you get people mad it isn't a full clear, you try to full clear and people get mad it isn't a speed run. There is nothing you can do except just play how you want to and then if the rest of the group wants something else they need to ask...problem is they don't ask usually.

I just play how I play which is usually speed clear, but instead of asking me to pull side rooms people will go and pull them on DPS. For one story recently I had a MCH in Stone Vigil that actually pulled the side room on purpose twice and ended up wiping the group so we had to kick him after the second time. He said nothing, but he would run ahead of me and purposefully shoot a mob and try to bring it back to us while we were still fighting stuff and well the healer couldn't handle double pulls in there because they were new, not that many healers could.... Stone Vigil mobs still hits decently hard.

If he just wanted me to pull the extra mobs for more EXP he could simply ask, but he didn't...instead he wiped us when he could of just asked the group if we could pull extra. I mean certain low level dungeons it doesn't matter if a DPS or healer pulls stuff. From Satasha up to Haukke Manor the mobs are pretty weak so it doesn't matter too much, but once you get to Brayflox and up it starts to become a problem if people don't just let the tank pull.

If the party speaks up and says what they all would prefer then I am totally okay to oblige but they usually say nothing so I just play how I want unless I am asked to do something differently. Passive aggressive stuff like pulling more mobs on a DPS job won't get you anywhere with me. If you want something then ask for it like a normal human being.

Another issue I have on tank is healers. A lot of them like to spam Medica II and keep Regen on me between pulls. I try to keep clicking off the regens but then just as I pull they put another one on me and then the mobs run away :/

So I sometimes politely ask if the healer can wait until I get hate on the mobs and not use regens on me between pulls. Usually the response I'll get is they'll start spamming even more regens on purpose to spite me for even daring to ask them politely. It is pretty easy to tell because after I ask they'll start spamming Medica II multiple times in succession now and using regen over and over on me even if I try to click it off and use regen on the whole party even sometimes.

Due to that I throw a mini celebration if I load in on tank and my healer is a SCH or AST. Mostly WHMs seem to do this kind of behavior I don't know why...I haven't yet seen a Diurnal AST do this kind of behavior, but I've seen a lot of WHMs.

I mean putting up with this kind of troll-like passive aggressive treatment really doesn't make me want to play tank.

[bounddreamer]

Such a contradiction in there. Just cuz you met or made friends who decided to do the same thing as you it doesn't mean it is most of the players that main the tank jobs. I actually lvl my tanks doing leves till i hit lvl16 and from then on use DFs to get to 70. I met and made a lot of friends who does the same.

In general, if you main a job, that's what you're taking to 70 first. (Why would you call it your main if that's not what you take to 70 first??) I main Warrior. I played Warrior to 70 first in Stormblood. I leveled Paladin to 70 second because I raid and getting tanks to 70 was top priority. Those are the jobs I raid on and they had to be at max, and geared, by the time the new raid dropped. I am not by any stretch unique in this. This is a common practice with players who actually "main" a job.

Anyhow, it's a little weird that you're being so nitpicky that my experience contradicts yours when I explicitly said I can't speak for all tank mains.

[Namallama]

Shout out to the duty find group for Lakshmi NM last night. There was no indication that anyone there was new but boy, people just suddenly forgot Vril existed like it was going out of style lol

And they forgot it existed not once but multiple times. And it’s one thing when your healer forgets to Vril but it’s another when BOTH don’t do it. So they die simultaneously, leaving our lone RDM to rez them constantly (that RDM deserved every comm). Special mention to the BLM who’d get the stacking marker and proceed to take it AWAY from the group every single time, even after being told the opposite. I have no clue why anyone kept rezzing him after the third or fourth time this happened.

The kicker was one of the healers who kept forgetting to pop Vril throughout the encounter had the audacity to blame the DPS for the bad run, referring to us as “potatoes.” I dunno about ya’ll, but I wasn’t the one dying to Divine Denial every time it happened lol

In other news, I’m hyped for 4.1 SMN.

[Awful]

Snip.

This couldn't be anymore accurate lol I have this happen to me all the time where people pull extra mobs in dungeons and then the group gets mad at me for tanking them it's like uhh I didn't pull em but i'll tank em so I don't get the blame for letting adds run around and vice versa. Recently I had a run where a SAM was mad because I was dodging AoEs in Ala Mhigo for expert, I told him if I didn't dodge the gigantic AoEs on the ground then i'm taking unnecessary damage to which they reply with "lol well my raid tank does it just stop being bad".

So taking AoEs to the face is considered being good? How about you adjust to me and keep up with the adds where I move when the AoEs hit. You just can't please everyone and it's so annoying that people want X thing but won't speak about it or consider the group either they just expect it.

[Mysterysword]

Bardam's Mettle as BRD was a bit of a sad affair, with a DRK, a SCH, and a BLM.

To begin with, the DRK did a small pull. I was a little irritated, given that we have the best AoE DPS in the game, but I understand if a tank wants to do small ones in there. It's painful.

Except that this (mentor) BLM decided to just stand around, doing nothing, until the DRK took the silent message and pulled further. We ran into further problems, with me somehow ripping aggro on a mob that the DRK apparently didn't notice, and on another, later pull, the SCH slapped down Sacred Soil... only to have the DRK drag the mobs to the side and plant his ass firmly outside of it.

"the big blue circle is a buff", I typed out, thoroughly annoyed at this point. No word on whether anyone except the SCH read or even noticed that, so I just stopped trying and we got to the end. At least I made a new friend out of that run, in the SCH!

After that, we went on to run 50/60 roulette. Sohm Al HM, with a newbie WAR who couldn't have been more different from the DRK. Actually stopped to ask for advice and followed our directions. They got basic things accomplished, like steaming the first couple of pulls. I'm sorry I forgot to comm them.

[Sylvina]

This couldn't be anymore accurate lol I have this happen to me all the time where people pull extra mobs in dungeons and then the group gets mad at me for tanking them it's like uhh I didn't pull em but i'll tank em so I don't get the blame for letting adds run around and vice versa. Recently I had a run where a SAM was mad because I was dodging AoEs in Ala Mhigo for expert, I told him if I didn't dodge the gigantic AoEs on the ground then i'm taking unnecessary damage to which they reply with "lol well my raid tank does it just stop being bad".

So taking AoEs to the face is considered being good? How about you adjust to me and keep up with the adds where I move when the AoEs hit. You just can't please everyone and it's so annoying that people want X thing but won't speak about it or consider the group either they just expect it.

If that guy's raid tank does it he's a bad tank, and if he's raiding savage spends a lot of time dead.

[Opus]

On WHM in Bardam's and got my first under-geared "tank-with-no-cooldowns". I nearly degraded into a cure2-spamming "healer-that-don't-dps". Still managed to dish out more AoE dps than the BRD. Nobody died. No comms.