Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[winsock]

I love that pull tho its best to do on pali tho for the hg , and u can kill the first bomb on the way up. But its a super fun pull tho

Pally really shines on that pull.

[Khaidal]

35 minute Temple of the Fist. Everyone is in 320-330 gear (except me - I have 310 pants).

The only cooldown I see from the pld is FoF -

This is happening more and more often. I got a tank in the vault that was doing huge pulls and using no cooldowns. They were just as you described, a "used, wet, single ply tissue." My favorite tank is still the one who decided to speed run Sastasha (normal, not hard) and got angry with me when he died Well, that's what you get when you pull more than you can mitigate, more than I can heal through, and our DPS are a bard and dragoon.

[Darkobra]

I had a guy in a 51 dungeon who clearly leveled in Palace of the Dead. Most of his gear CAME from the place. It was i50. He only used Unleash once at the very start, no matter how many adds joined the fight. He died so fast and the healer went AFK at one point as he pulled more.

Just a typical case of Palace of the Dead levelers.

[SpiritMuse]

Ok so, are SAM and DRG supposed to be exclusively single target?

I got Sirensong Sea in levelling roulette, and after landing off the boat I pulled the first two packs together. The dps insisted on slowly whittling down the mobs one by one, instead of aoeing. Ok, so that's how it's going to be. I pull single packs the rest of the dungeon. Even at the 5-6 mob packs, still no aoe. Finally, the pack with the gravedigger, I ask for aoe in chat and finally it happens. I end up asking twice in a row and they start complaining (fair enough I guess, they were already aoeing when I sent out the second request).

Then they start saying how SAM and DRG are single target jobs, and that SAM aoe takes too much tp.

So, my question, is it really not worth it to use aoe even with 5+ mobs? I'm not 100% sure of the current meta of these two jobs but I would imagine at some point you'd start to aoe?



(Such a difference from the run I had before, where as a rdm my whole right side broke and the other rdm laughingly offered to carry me. XD )

[Rita1989]

Samurai should be using AoE at 3+ mobs

[ChameleonMS]

Then they start saying how SAM and DRG are single target jobs, and that SAM aoe takes too much tp.
So, my question, is it really not worth it to use aoe even with 5+ mobs? I'm not 100% sure of the current meta of these two jobs but I would imagine at some point you'd start to aoe?

I can assure you those DPS are issue. TP costs, pshaw, Invigorate and Goad. They can and should have those role skills.

I will use DRG since I play that one all the time. Here is simple math version: Jumps are not included as they are oGCD and can be done regardless of single target or AoE.
IDCWF = 1190 + 300 (dot) and TVFFW = 1330; after 10 GCDs things start over. 2820 damage

Doom Spike 130, Sonic Thrust 170 = (130*5 + 170*5) * enemies hit (assume 5) = (690 + 850) * 5 = 7700
Now, there is a minor cavate; Sonic Trust is not available until lv62 so a DRG might not have it in that particular dungeon.
The formula just changes to 130 * 10 * 5 = 6500

[Darkobra]

From my experience of Samurai before 60, it REALLY eats your TP using AoE and you could probably burn single targets faster and more consistent. I don't know if it gets any better later on.

[BlastHardcheese]

SAM can aoe fine at that level if you have invigorate and the other guys got Goad, it's a bit TP intensive without but still doable.

[Aosha]

Samurai should be using AoE at 3+ mobs

Indeed.
What I do (and this might be a wholly inefficient way to play SAM, but hey I'm a monk main, not samurai) when I play samurai in dungeons and there are big pulls:
Rotation 1): Kasha combo (single target cycling targets) => Gekko combo (single target cycling targets) => Tenka Goken => Oka combo (AoE) => Mangetsu combo (AoE) => Tenka Goken => repeat from start
Or alternatively, if there's a really big pile to start with:
Rotation 2) just Oka and Mangetsu until low on TP, Invigorate, keep going, Then go to Rotation 1 when getting low again.
Now, I don't know if that's the best thing to do, but I've yet to run completely out of TP, while still AoEing at least half the time of the pull.


On another, unrelated note, I had a really nice leveling roulette group for Darkhold today. Nothing special happened, people were just being in general nice.

[MoroMurasaki]

I queued for all 4 omega normal fights today right as I popped on. I main WHM and while I leveled AST to 70 I haven't touched it in quite a while. O3 pops right away and I go in...

... and remember the last thing I did before logging off to maintenence was grab my AST Susano weapon and equip it so I've queued for this on a class I haven't played in a while.

My cohealer goes Diurnal so I can't even rely on playing AST as a WHM really, I have no regens. While I'm fumbling with cross role skills (wound up getting locked into Esuna, ugh) and cards the tanks pull. I can't blame them really, I can't expect a ready check in a normal raid.

The only people who really seem to know what they're doing are the MT and a DRG. I mean I would like to also say me but my ASTing during the first part of the fight is nothing to brag about.

After a lot of ribbits and badness I feel like I'm finding my groove. People have died quite a bit, my MP is hurting but then I remember Lightspeed which helps with that. I even start DPSing a bit more.

The dragon comes out and comes straight for me as I had just healed up the group. I'm not sure if my cohealer is DPSing, it certainly doesn't feel like he's healing much but that could be because I feel so shaky.

The OT doesn't move off of the boss. I realize since it's attacking me I have to at least aim it away. I shield myself (yay Largresse was up!) and turn him away to almost die to his cleve breath thingy. My cohealer pops essential dignity on me which is nice.

Dps burn him down, the rest of the fight goes kinda smoothish? Until no one stacks with me for the moving stack mechanic. I die and my coheal bothers raising me at 2% left on Halicarnassus. Not sure why but I'll take it.

So yeah, for complete unpreparedness I feel like it went kinda well. Still don't know if I'm gonna pick AST back up. Maybe it would be less painful if it wasn't suddenly thrust upon me by my own craziness.