Just another thread asking for in-game parsing for ps4 users

[Voltyblast]

You may think that parsers are an evolution of MMOs when all they did was making the community more toxic and less casual-friendly. Which is the OPPOSITE direction they are going for with FFXIV since ARR's inception

I think the current situation it's the total opposite of what you're saying: the parsers didn't make the community more toxic or less casual friendly, it's that FFXIV is already toxic and less casual friendly than people admit, thinking this is their safe haven of sweetness and sunshine UNTIL something threatens this lie.
Hell, I get bashed for disliking the main story, and God forbids you for having a different opinion about it! That's toxicity in my book and while it's a rather harmless bashing (I have enough jrpgs under my belt to know when I like a story or not), I'm fairly sure I don't get bashed for disliking stories in other games. See the problem?

This leads to another thing you mentioned in the same post

People in general, and especially MMO players, are an egotistical, individualist bunch under a very big and heavy blanket of internet anonimity

Let me ask you this: why was vanilla wow - or any old school MMORPG for that matter - so loved despite being utterly unbalanced? The teamplay and the NEED to work together with other people: you had group quests, you had dungeon groups that actively looked for people in cities, some classes were more useful than others and so forth. It was a living world because people WORKED with each other, they PLAYED with others, and most importantly TALKED with one other.

Now look at FFXIV: everything is locked behind a SOLO main quest that you cannot - YOU CANNOT - tag with others (look at SWTOR if you start bragging lore BS). You can make up groups but it's 1000 times faster and easier (especially as a tank and healer) to use the duty finder: you even get bonus rewards if you solo queue. There are no group quests in the entire game: only group content in the world is fates, which don't even really incite teamplay and people group up only to reach gold medal easier. Same thing for hunts as you cannot get full credit alone (and yes tried doing one hunt alone, from 100% to 0%, it didn't give me full credit). Even dailies can't be done with others since they're randomized for each player. Free Companies have little meaning to group play as well because their buffs are very weak and easy to ignore and once again, everything can be done solo, even raids, and if you need to group with others you usually prefer a linkshell, because you can join 8 at once and never commit in any of them.

Only people who are at disadvantage are the DPS, which is the only one who requires people to play with and as I level one myself, it can be annoying to wait 30 minutes...but still better than go to a city, spam "LFG tank and healer" on a general chat, and then wait more than hour for said people and run over to the dungeon and enter manually. And yes I did that and it was a pain, but satisfying nonetheless and people talked more than they do now!

TL;DR: Parsers won't make the game more toxic, because the game has always been about solo improvement and egotistical people - hence, toxic - and there are very little incentives to do premade and socialize (i can probably do omega with pugs and once I learn the fights, I can join any with ease)
Add more incentives, more rewards and more bonuses for grouping up and people will stop aiming at each other's throat and parsers will stop being this evil spawn that everyone is afraid of.

[Altena]

Perhaps you're right, and lack of an official parser don't make such behavior non-existant. However, HAVING an in-game parser will only make it more widespread and it'll quickly become the norm, just as it happened on WoW and pretty much every other game where parsing addons were 100% legan and not againsyt ToS. And then everybody who is not capable to perform above an arbitrary level of performance set by the community's zeitgeist will be shunned, left out and kicked from EVERY party - from daily roulettes to savage statics. EVERYBODY will be EXPECTED to min/max their characters to oblivion and back, regardless of how casual they are or if that level of performance being demanded from each and every player is actually needed to clear said content.

You seem to totally miss the mark.


It's not parsers that are the problem, it's the people behind the computer screens. Parser or not, toxic people will be toxic. This thread proves that, simply with one of the more toxic personalities in this thread actually being against parsers.
You are also acting like people aren't judged by their performance already. Again, parsers or not - if you're actively removed from the party it's likely due to the reason that you're either a toxic personality, or you're holding the group back from clearing the given content. Having a global parser available to everyone doesn't suddenly increase that, it simply enables players to understand their own performance in comparison to others and if need be - improve upon it.

You know what's the worst feeling? Being removed from a party and not knowing the reason. Again, people aren't allowed to tell you the reason because of their fear of that special snowflake being easily offended and fragile to criticism.

Again I will repeat myself, perhaps an in-game parser will allow players to actually understand the reason they were removed from the party and fix the problem themselves, to go on and join another party at a later time with an improved level of skill.

People in general, and specially MMO players, are an egotistical, individualist bunch under a very big and heavy blanket of internet anonimity. They only care about their own needs, their own progression, their own items, that they crave for their own bragging rights. This very topic is living proof of that. So yeah, SE knows exactly the kind of leash this community needs to hold that behavior in check. And they will not offer to anyone an officially-endorsed way of practicing that. Your statement about how people are already judging and kicking people due to performance reasons even without addons is a very strong indication that they won't indeed ever implement an official parser that'll make the problem even worse.

Honestly this game has the opposite problem most of the time. There is a very large portion of the community that believe they don't have to put in much effort, and that "pressing random buttons is good enough". How many farm parties for any content do you find yourself in, where there is either one or more who have not even stepped foot into a fight - expecting to be able to be carried over the finish line by people that have been clearing the fight for weeks/months? The whole "no bonus" attitude (which some see as toxic) comes from somewhere. Guess where that comes from? The very fact that there are so many entitled snowflakes in this community that expect to get a free ride off other people's backs because they can.

Guess what? If they are called out on it, they are able to report for harassment, and god forbid the other players have physical proof (in numbers). Because that's against ToS.

You may think that parsers are an evolution of MMOs, when all they did was making the community more toxic and less casual-friendly. Which is the OPPOSITE direction they are going for with FFXIV since ARR's inception. The only way parsers will be implemented is if they pull a Star Wars Galaxies on us, which is something extremely unlikely. But by all means, you're free to cling on to your hope. We can talk again in a couple of years, and then a couple of years more.

I am a casual. A fully blown casual.
I grind tomes every week, I perhaps PF a couple of raids, craft and maybe level a couple of jobs if I am bored.
Parsers are perfectly "friendly" to me. You know why? Because I look at my performance, I think "hmm I didn't do so well there.. What can I do to improve?" and I work on fixing that problem.
As a casual, I take pride in knowing that I can perform to a reasonable level and not hold anyone back. Without parsers and websites that help analyze those logs, I would have no clue where I stand.

I mean you do realise, that if someone really wanted to - they could pull out their log files or read their entire chat log for a fight, grab all their numbers and mash them into a calculator to work out their DPS?
Parsers simply automate that process.

Yes parsers are an evolution. Without them, people have almost no clue where they stand.

I am sorry to say but people will continue to use parsers, whether they are in-game or third party.
The difference is that it's excluding PS4 players from the ability to use such tools to improve their performance.

[Taika]

What are you talking about? Yoshi-P already stated multiple times that he will never allow for addons in FFXIV

What are you talking about? Add-ons were actually planned for ARR, then simply "postponed".

From PAX 2015 interview (source):

Reddit: Here’s a question that’s asked a lot. What’s the current state of the API for addons?
Yoshida: We’re still in development. It will still take more time. We’re thinking maybe after the launch of Heavensward we may be able to give you a visual reference or a screen layout of some sort. Of course having to have patch updates go on at the pace we’re going at any additional side projects that we work on tend to take a bit more time. But of course we’re inching slowly closer to making it happen and we’re continuing to work on it.

Also, this is what Yoshi P has said about unofficial parsers: https://youtu.be/3-WXYg-S05U?t=6m4s. Basically, they cannot officially endorse them, because they're 3rd party tools, but he understands the PC players want to "enjoy the gameplay to the best of their gaming environment". He talks about banning people using tools that give unfair advantage, such as bots and hacks, but sees parsers as a completely different thing. He says you'll simply have to be discreet about using a parser.

[DRHaymaker]

Also, this is what Yoshi P has said about unofficial parsers: https://youtu.be/3-WXYg-S05U?t=6m4s. Basically, they cannot officially endorse them, because they're 3rd party tools, but he understands the PC players want to "enjoy the gameplay to the best of their gaming environment". He talks about banning people using tools that give unfair advantage, such as bots and hacks, but sees parsers as a completely different thing. He says you'll simply have to be discreet about using a parser.

I'm going to take to google translate to see how Alexion will see that - it goes from from Japanese to English to Sanskrit to ancient Babylon to Australian slang to Mandarin and then back to English.

SEE! Yoshi P CLEARLY hates the very idea of parsers, and even calls those that use them "The devil's seed"! CRIKEY!!!

Well damn, better start thinking of a response now...

[Altena]

I'm going to take to google translate to see how Alexion will see that - it goes from from Japanese to English to Sanskrit to ancient Babylon to Australian slang to Mandarin and then back to English.



Well damn, better start thinking of a response now...

Heyyyy.. Nothing wrong with Aussie slang. We make perfect sense mate!

[Teraluna]

The fact you've mentioned a super mario games machine and mmo immediately invalidates your request.

If you where serious about mmo's you would go out and buy a pc - thread closed.

[HyoMinPark]

If you where serious about mmo's you would go out and buy a pc - thread closed.

I disagree with this. I'm a pretty serious player, and for the first year of my FFXIV experience, I had no choice but to play on a console. People can be serious about this game and not play on PC. Let's not turn this into a PC > PS4 war thread because that's not the point of this thread at all.

[akaneakki]

The fact you've mentioned a super mario games machine and mmo immediately invalidates your request.

If you where serious about mmo's you would go out and buy a pc - thread closed.

This has to be the most retarded thing ever and I bet 10 bucks I will find far more better ps4 players than you are on pc.

[Teraluna]

This has to be the most retarded thing ever and I bet 10 bucks I will find far more better ps4 players than you are on pc.

humour bypass alert

[Baka_Neko1]

Uggggg y'all are dragging my post through the mud. Y U DO DIS?
I'm just asking for a tool to quickly figure out where and who the issues are. We already have a halfassed tool for that as it is--- enmity.
Literally. an in-game tool is all i'm asking for.