Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Mysterysword]

Sword Oath + Rampart + Bulwark is the same mitigation as Shield Oath + Bulwark.
Do you really think that if a tank dies pulling four mobs in tank stance with Bulwark up, it's the tank's fault?

Except for the part where Shield Oath lasts much longer than 20 seconds. Also, mobs in Dusk Vigil hit much harder than average. Same with any other leveling dungeon. It's easier to do a mass pull in a level 50/60 dungeon than a leveling dungeon.

So yes, if a tank decides to pull 4 mobs in a leveling dungeon where they have about 10k HP and each mob can hit for upwards of 800 damage per tick? In tank stance, no less? If they die, that's on them.

[Dameron]

Yesterday evening I got into Susano Normal with my Trial roulette together with a friend. We were stuck with two people who very clearly had no idea what to do: A BLM and one of our healers.

The BLM kept running away with the stack marker, and was shouting to the healers whenever he got one-shot at a result. He also never used his Ley Lines, and exclusively used Ice spells.

The healer died six times due to AoE effects. A friend of his said it was because he was laggy. I find it hard to believe that lag is the cause of him running out of the safe line between the tidal waves and into the lightning AoEs.

Fortunately we still ended up clearing on our second try, but we needed the second healer to LB3 and still only barely made it. I hope he got many commendations.

[Singularity]

Except for the part where Shield Oath lasts much longer than 20 seconds. Also, mobs in Dusk Vigil hit much harder than average. Same with any other leveling dungeon. It's easier to do a mass pull in a level 50/60 dungeon than a leveling dungeon.

So yes, if a tank decides to pull 4 mobs in a leveling dungeon where they have about 10k HP and each mob can hit for upwards of 800 damage per tick? In tank stance, no less? If they die, that's on them.

If a tank wants to tank outside tank stance, they take it upon themselves to rotate cooldowns or swap back into tank stance to ensure their mitigation doesn't fail. Having sufficient mitigation is the tank's responsibility. How that mitigation is provided, be it through the tank stance or through defensive cooldowns, is the tank's choice to make. A tank may choose to take on the extra work of managing their mitigation actively in return for more DPS. Personally I find that willingness to put in extra effort praiseworthy.

Also, the first three mobs of Dusk Vigil are linked so you get them together whether you want to or not. Considering the difficulty of levelling dungeons is pitched such that a single group (i.e. three mobs) may be tanked in tank stance but with no defensive cooldowns, I would argue that (the equivalent of) tank stance + Bulwark is sufficient mitigation for four mobs.

[Jybril]

I've only had one 'negative' experience doing a Duty Finder with my boyfriend a couple of weeks ago wherein our WHM decided to try to tank Copperbell Mines by herself, while her and her friend smack-talked my bf's lower level and gear (he tanks, I'm BLM). I ended up getting booted out for telling her that it'd be nice if she acted like our healer and healed people (she wasn't). Bf didn't get booted but they continued their snide comments and let him die a few times.

Other than that one incident though, it's been a lot of fun so far

Did your boyfriend leave? He didn't get booted because he was a tank but
they unjustly kicked you, let him die, disrupt gameplay and abused the Kick system so I hope you reported them.
They can also tell your still a newbie if you had the leaf!
It's so sad, people in this game are terrible sometimes for no reason.
I am sorry that happened.

I remember when I got shat on the Aether thing in HW.
(Can't recall name...It was with the Chimera in a room and AST were super bad it was a 60 dungeon?...So I think it was literally 3.0 endgame dungeon.)
had the DRK scream at me and stuff because I couldn't heal him and I tried my best...He actually was
so bitter to me the entire run that admittedly, I was really sad and he threatened to kick me because I was the last
to respawn and stuff...So then they kicked me and I reported the tank, then 20 mins later or less, a GM responded via tell.
I told them what happened and they were incredibly kind and helpful and made me feel a lot better.
I liked how they used smilies to add personality to them. It didn't feel like they were a drone.
Plus s/he was telling me something really cool...cool enough that I cannot remember xD! But like quick/small chat.

So with that story, sometimes you will get a GM response. I actually gotten 2 (can't remember the other reason.)
in less then 20 minutes from player reports. It sure does make you feel better and the GM's care.
..Unlike their E-mail support but that's another story lmao.

[Avatre]

Had an archer in Tam-Tara normal yesterday. He was constantly running all over the place while attacking. (No, he wasn't masterfully avoiding AoEs.). It was dizzying and very annoying. I mean, he. Just. Kept. Moving! All the time! When asked about it, he answered that he was playing on PS4. Now I'm no expert, but I main BRD and I play on PS4 too. I never ever move around like a headless chicken all the time. And this is not because Wanderer's Minuet back in Heavensward tamed me. It's just unnecessary to run around like he did. And when advised to try not moving too much when there was no need to, he asked if this affected his DPS. Ehhh, it's not like running around increased his DPS either, so why not just spare everyone the agony of watching a moving object that just can't stand still? I reeeeally would've enjoyed watching him play BRD in 3.x

When I play BRD, if I'm really bored - either due to super easy dungeon, or just doing the roulettes because I want that glorious daily EXP bonus - I tend to run around and "dance" using my skills. Jumping onto/off ledges as the skill animations are going off, or just circling the boss/mobs. Sometimes, it's just boredom. I have never had anyone complain about me doing something like that before though....and if I got Tam-Tara, I can guarantee you I would have been doing the same...especially with how many pillars/ledges/dais there are that you can jump on and off of.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I just had an... interesting experience.

Queued into Trial roulette and got Nidhogg, to where the Paladin says they used a jump potion but had previously tanked on Dark Knight. Guess who proceeds to have the least trouble despite no other jump potion users. I was fully preparing to take over tanking but she had it covered just fine. Everyone else though... not to much. Why is it people still don't know what a stack marker is? The Ninja outright avoided stacking and dropped dead while the Black Mage later moved out of it too fast. Wound up clearing with myself, the other tank and one DPS alive.

[Avatre]

Why is it people still don't know what a stack marker is?

Sometimes I wonder if they are just a troll out to prolong runs of things...I can understand a new person not being familiar with it especially if they didn't do any of the Alexander raids(don't really recall any story dungeons that introduced that before Nidhogg trial). But when it's a "Mentor" that doesn't do it...yeah I can guarantee that person is a troll.

[Mysterysword]

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Except that in this case, the tank clearly failed to provide that mitigation and refused to put on Shield Oath even after their cooldowns ran out. I would hardly call that kind of performance praiseworthy.

In Dusk Vigil, we get a group of 3 mobs that are meant to be killed in one group, and then a single behemoth-type monster that has large AoEs, that is also meant to be killed solo. That makes it the equivalent of one full group, which means that the tank was pulling 2 full groups in DPS stance, all the while failing to manage their mitigation properly.

And as a last note: This is a leveling dungeon, not a Savage world-first progression group. Why are you so concerned with how much DPS a tank does in a random DF party?

[Singularity]

Except that in this case, the tank clearly failed to provide that mitigation and refused to put on Shield Oath even after their cooldowns ran out. I would hardly call that kind of performance praiseworthy.

In Dusk Vigil, we get a group of 3 mobs that are meant to be killed in one group, and then a single behemoth-type monster that has large AoEs, that is also meant to be killed solo. That makes it the equivalent of one full group, which means that the tank was pulling 2 full groups in DPS stance, all the while failing to manage their mitigation properly.

And as a last note: This is a leveling dungeon, not a Savage world-first progression group. Why are you so concerned with how much DPS a tank does in a random DF party?

I agree, if indeed the tank did not sufficiently mitigate damage later in the dungeon, then that is their own fault, but I am talking about the specific example of pulling the first four mobs of Dusk Vigil in Sword Oath with Rampart and Bulwark.

The mylodon does not in fact hit anywhere close to three times as hard as the smaller mobs, not least because it spends so much time casting Slowball, during which time it does no damage at all.

I'm not personally concerned with tank DPS in a levelling dungeon - I don't complain when I get a tank that just does the basics, but if someone is putting in extra effort to contribute to the party, then of course I'll be grateful for it.

[Meillquei]

So last night I had to work late and wanted to cram in all my roulettes before going to sleep. Trials roulette was the last one on my list and it was almost 2 AM before I got to it. But I was determined to get it done. So I was crossing my fingers hoping I wouldn't end up in Royal Menagerie.

But guess what I got? Yep, you guessed it, Royal Menagerie.

Fortunately, we only had one new person, one of the tanks.

We ended up one shotting it and only ended up with a small handful of deaths the entire run. Even the new tank only died once I think.

I was so happy. I wanted to commend everyone. So to that group, thank you for such a flawless run.