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    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    And that just proves the point being made. Also, it's not my post, I didn't post those links. So the blind statement still stands, it was intended as an observation, with no intent of rudeness. Someone taking something said as rude, does not mean the intention was rude. It may be blunt and straightforward, but that doesn't make it rude. In fact the way you worded your first sentence is a contradiction of itself. You say you hate to say this, but then use a term that can be pretty insulting to many people. Oh, that's another good example of words have very different affects on different people.

    In terms of the thick skin comment, I likely have some of the "thickest skin" there can be. It's almost impossible to offend me, but I still understand and accept i'm not the norm.
    saying "Blind?" to start your sentance when all i said to you was how does this pertain to that guys name is rude.

    but i guess your right on the prude part. i was rude too, its hard to distinguish a persons intent when there is no tone of voice, i meant it as playful.
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    15 abilities each? what is this... Kindergarten?
    A jack of all trades WHM... what is this 1989?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    I'm the type who refuses to "sugarcoat" things. I say it as I see it. And yes, my words might hurt, and if i've said something false and been proven wrong, I'll admit that. But if I have to lie to avoid hurting someone's feelings, I won't. I'll tell the truth, or just not speak to them. But I still understand others who feel i'm wrong, or rude or an asshole. I disagree with them, but I can understand the mindset quite easily.
    There's something to be said for that, as well. Some of us don't have the strength to speak up or be brutally honest in certain situations. It doesn't necessarily make you rude. It makes you outspoken.

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    There is someone walking with the name "Massive penetration" ingame XD

    OP, there are always worse :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post
    saying "Blind?" to start your sentance when all i said to you was how does this pertain to that guys name is rude.
    Yes, blind. The post you responded to with your question had several links. Those links were in response to what the person replied to had said, ie this:

    "and how exactly are words on a screen going to harm anyone?"

    The links were used to illustrate that words CAN hurt, regardless of it being a name or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    Yes, blind. The post you responded to with your question had several links. Those links were in response to what the person replied to had said, ie this:

    "and how exactly are words on a screen going to harm anyone?"

    The links were used to illustrate that words CAN hurt, regardless of it being a name or not.
    the illustration was wrong though. period. hearing someone use a general cuss word in real life should not be harming anyone. this is the gaming equivalent of that.

    those links are for people who were directly abused or indirectly abused by people that actually are trying to diliberately hurt someone.
    omg whatever, ban the friggen name, it dont effect me any. i just think its wrong to nit pick when his name isnt racist, homophobic or sexist. its literally just a childish reworking of a cuss word.
    do you know how many times your going to see such things in the future? do you know how many retainers ive seen named after drugs or cuss words?

    they should be banned for the sole purpose that cusswords arent names just like numbers arent names.
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    15 abilities each? what is this... Kindergarten?
    A jack of all trades WHM... what is this 1989?

  6. #146
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post
    the illustration was wrong though. period. hearing someone use a general cuss word in real life should not be harming anyone. this is the gaming equivalent of that.

    those links are for people who were directly abused or indirectly abused by people that actually are trying to diliberately hurt someone.
    omg whatever, ban the friggen name, it dont effect me any. i just think its wrong to nit pick when his name isnt racist, homophobic or sexist. its literally just a childish reworking of a cuss word.
    do you know how many times your going to see such things in the future? do you know how many retainers ive seen named after drugs or cuss words?

    they should be banned for the sole purpose that cusswords arent names just like numbers arent names.
    Important part bolded. Yes, swearing shouldn't hurt people... but it DOES. The whole point of the response was that words CAN hurt, but you tried to pull it off to something more than it was.

    He couldn't understand how words on a screen could harm someone. Someone responded with links showing how. He even responds back with a generalization about the links, using the stereotype emo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    Important part bolded. Yes, swearing shouldn't hurt people... but it DOES. The whole point of the response was that words CAN hurt, but you tried to pull it off to something more than it was.

    He couldn't understand how words on a screen could harm someone. Someone responded with links showing how. He even responds back with a generalization about the links, using the stereotype emo.
    People are only offended by what society tells them to be offended by. Since Final Fantasy is a global game you can't bring in your own view of society and expect everyone to abide by it. So a name that someone picked because it's funny to him/her and the social group he/she belongs to may be offensive to someone else. If you ban every name that offends a person, we won't have names at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    Important part bolded. Yes, swearing shouldn't hurt people... but it DOES. The whole point of the response was that words CAN hurt, but you tried to pull it off to something more than it was.

    He couldn't understand how words on a screen could harm someone. Someone responded with links showing how. He even responds back with a generalization about the links, using the stereotype emo.
    oh trust me i was not defending that dude. they should not be considered emo.
    i was apart of one of those links in my own neighborhood.
    again, i had just asked a question how that was related to a name and the reason why is because of my own real life experiences with an organization similar to those.

    People are only offended by what society tells them to be offended by. Since Final Fantasy is a global game you can't bring in your own view of society and expect everyone to abide by it. So a name that someone picked because it's funny to him/her and the social group he/she belongs to may be offensive to someone else. If you ban every name that offends a person, we won't have names at all.
    i totally agree with this.
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    15 abilities each? what is this... Kindergarten?
    A jack of all trades WHM... what is this 1989?

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    Whatever happened to "Love thy neighbor"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowyne View Post
    There's something to be said for that, as well. Some of us don't have the strength to speak up or be brutally honest in certain situations. It doesn't necessarily make you rude. It makes you outspoken.
    Then it isn't important enough to you. There is nothing wrong with being outspoken provided it be logical and rational. But if you lack the actual fortitude to take action then you are part of the problem. If you follow the logic, inaction is equally as bad as the offensive action since an individual possesses the ability to try to alter the course of a situation they deem harmful, yet for some reason allow to continue.

    And to answer the question the OP asked, why not use the good old CI: "Act only according to maxims that you yourself would deem be universally accepted."

    So I will break it down:

    1. I ought not name my characters offensive names
    2. ...therefore, everyone ought not to name their character offensive names

    That seems reasonable - provided a clear definition be made as to what "offensive" means. Personally, I can argue that white westerners consistently taking and spinning Asian culture is offensive. White westerners naming characters "Ronin Jin" and then repeating Japanese phrases they learn from anime like "kawai desu" is ignorant and, to some, offensive. So define "offensive" if you go this route. BUT...why not look at in the light that many people skew this?

    1. I ought not to name my characters silly names
    2. ...therefore everyone ought not name their characters silly names

    Well there is a problem here because "silly" is clearly objective. My name is Dookie Poo. Is it a childish and immature name? I've been told so. But is it a reference to a pop culture children's cartoon? Or a Korean CGI movie? Or a children's book? Yes to all three. So is it silly by reference? Perhaps I have a child who is fond of one or all three and the name was chosen by him and we share a whimsical bond from it? Is that silly? On the contrary, I'd say it would be pretty inconsiderate and intolerant of anyone who would make a snap judgment that I ought to change my name. I've had people tell me that I wouldn't achieve anything in a community game because of it, but low and behold, it appears I've passed them. So does that make me a loser? No, it simply means that I avoided playing with an intolerant and silly person who locked themselves out of playing together. Cool how it works out, isn't it?
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