Sadly sayiing goodbye to SCH

[Supersun]

Honestly if they split Summoner and Scholar, they need to rework Scholar a bit, specifically what level they learn things.

[Dregenfox]

SCH should be better at single target healing than whm, since whm is so much superior at aoe healing. The problem is that right now, SCH *isn't* superior to WHM for single target healing and is still weaker on aoe healing, too.

You keep saying that, yet the only argument you can make is that WHM's cure II has 100 extra potency and that's why they're better. Hardcasted GCD heals typically only make up 50% or less of total healing - the other 50% are oGCD abilities. And that's only for a heavy savage run.

You can't only look at one single ability that has 100 pot more and conclude that WHM is superior, when pretty much every other SCH oGCD is vastly superior to WHM.

SCH also scales w/ crit much better than WHM does. Assuming we can eventually hit 20% crit rates, adlo becomes roughly equal to CureII in pot/sec when factoring in crits. And adlo crits for SCH are godly, because 2/3 of it is a beefy shield that never suffers from overhealing.

If you look at overhealing rates as well, SCH hovers around 10-25% while WHM is 20-45%. For all the supposed vaunted HPS that WHM has, most of it is wasted on people whose HP bars are already full.

Take a look at the top 50 clears of content that aren't focused on AOE healing. Almost none of them include WHM. It's only when AOE damage becomes a major issue where people even bother to look at WHM's.

[YanderePrincess]

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I had full gear for lv65-68 because I had already gone through 61-70 as rdm, whm, and drk.

Also, I'm done talking to you. You are continuing spouting misinformation and BS, deliberating remaining ignorant and blind to the facts because for some reason, despite listing your "main" as Astrologian on the forums, you are unwilling to see the glaring flaws with SCH right now.

[YanderePrincess]

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Exactly. SCH at 50 in 2.0 was a low skill floor/high skill ceiling job, with a great pay off for reaching that skill ceiling. Now, it's a high skill floor/high skill ceiling job with *no* payoff for reaching that skill ceiling, because you're still only just barely catching up to WHM which has a much lower skill ceiling, making it not worth it to play SCH instead of WHM.

[YanderePrincess]

You keep saying that, yet the only argument you can make is that WHM's cure II has 100 extra potency and that's why they're better. Hardcasted GCD heals typically only make up 50% or less of total healing - the other 50% are oGCD abilities. And that's only for a heavy savage run.

If you actually go back and read the posts you've already responded to, you would see that I've presented far more than just Cure II as an argument. It is a major factor, but not the only factor.

And if WHMs are overhealing by 20-45%, they're bad WHMs, and SCH is far more likely to overheal simply because of their fairy.

[Dregenfox]

If you actually go back and read the posts you've already responded to, you would see that I've presented far more than just Cure II as an argument. It is a major factor, but not the only factor.

And if WHMs are overhealing by 20-45%, they're bad WHMs, and SCH is far more likely to overheal simply because of their fairy.

Yeah if you're really going to include stuff like asylum as single target healing then it would be fair to also factor in SCH's fey illumination/convenant into the equation as well. I also didn't factor in adlo crits, which would add another ~1200 potency to the rotation.

The Adlo/Physic rotation I posted has the exact same mana cost as WHM's pure cureII rotation, but SCH also has the option of adding more adlo's to beat WHM's HPS at the cost of mana.

The scenario I posted was also pure 45s of hardcasted healing - the more time healers spend dps'ing/not casting GCD heals, the better off SCH gets.

At worst, in a pure hardcasting scenario, SCH is equal to WHM in single target with the potential to be much better. IDK why you have such a hard time believing that healers not named AST are fairly balanced right now.

[Sebazy]

And if WHMs are overhealing by 20-45%, they're bad WHMs, and SCH is far more likely to overheal simply because of their fairy.

Uh what? =(

30% is pretty typical overhealing for a WHM in Savage this tier whereas Exdeath will see you approaching 50%.

Minimising overheal is kind of a dated approach now with our MP as it is, instead you'll typically see top tier healers blasting HPS out in bursts with a 'damn the expense' mentality so they can get back to DPSing ASAP, thus the comments about Physick seeing so little use.

Do I think SCH is in a great place? No, not at all, it's still a shadow of what it was in ARR or SB, but it's certainly not 'out of the meta' either. It's raid DPS is still a long way ahead of AST and it has by far the strongest arrangement of CDs.

So what do I think is 'wrong' with SCH? Certainly as far as NeoExdeath goes, I think it's the 'harder' healer to heal alongside, on 34 pulls helping some friends on it the other night the healing was noticeably harder work than with my usual team. We just couldn't consistently mitigate Almagest to the same extent my AST does. That's a total reversal from SB where it was usually a lot easier healing alongside a SCH vs Double AST or WHM/AST =(

[Lastelli]

It always amazes me how people try to directly compare SCH and WHM/AST skills (adlo vs benefic2/cure2) while completely ignoring the fairy's healing potential and the fact that a SCH play style is totally different from a whm/ast play style.
Adlo+embrace is overall a better heal than benefic/cure2. Even more so with Rouse that can ideally be active for 1/3 of the fight. Also, shields>direct heals since they reduce overhealing.
As others have already said though, SCH is all about minimizing your gcd healing while maximizing healing done through your fairy and your ogcd abilities.
SCH right now is probably the healer with the highest skill ceiling, true, but at that ceiling it's an amazing asset to the party and it will likely be meta again.

[Tillen]

Dungeon-wise leveling at 65-68 is fine on SCH...
Excog is immensely useful, and should always be used when big damage is coming, even at <50% HP for the enhanced heal. Smart Lustrate use only if someone is in dire health, not burning them for top-ups or just to make one feel better about the HP bar. One or two Adlos on mega pulls to help make tank cooldowns more potent or when one isn't up, while going back to cleric stance damage.
But you can't be spamming Adlo/Succor on the job, and use of Physick should be limited as much as possible to where you are not using it normally. To the point where it has to be a button you had to reach to grab because the pull is that insane for anyone to handle.

Dude, what? Do you even Scholar?

[Lastelli]

Dude, what? Do you even Scholar?

What? He's totally right. That's how you play SCH at a high level.
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