Sadly sayiing goodbye to SCH

[Dregenfox]

Another thing I want to add, and this seems to be lost on a LOT of people:

SCH has ZERO opportunity cost in holding onto their oGCD's. This is an amazing benefit and is one of the reasons they are competitive with WHM in healing.

If a WHM holds on to assize/tetra for emergencies, every single second that those two skills are not on CD is lost potency/mp efficiency.

A SCH can hold onto their 3x lustrates for up to 45s, and then immediately blow all 3 and be back with 3 more stacks, with 0 lost to potency or mp efficiency.

A basic way to look at it is that WHM is pressured to keep their oGCD's on cooldown for optimum efficiency, at the cost of reduced safety.

SCH can hold their oGCD's for up to 45s without losing any efficiency, and without the cost of any reduced safety. It's a huge difference between the two classes but knowing how to ration AF stacks gives SCH's a huge leg up on WHM in terms of versatility, and is one of the reasons why it's possible for SCH to heal without using a single hardcasted GCD.

[Raylazer11]

I struggled to get it to 70, and I struggle every time I tank with a SCH in as main healer in a dungeon.

GET GUD SCRUB!

Like many people say it's not the class...
I personally had no problems leveling with Scholar pre 4.05. Sure we had some mp problems, but once you learned how to play around that it's not so bad and very manageable.
With the aetherflow changes that came with 4.05 using energy drain was a pretty sound thing to us a stack for. I also agree with others on the point were Scholars shine when the player knows the dungeon/raid/trail in and out. Cause you can do what the scholar does best. Mitigate, step-up, plan, and burst. There dps isn't bad ether. So don't go around leaving dungeons just cause a Scholar is in your party. Actually man up and learn the new system/class changes and stick with Scholar, or go to a different class.

But by the sound of it you don't sound like a good tank ether...

Best wishes!

[Silver-Strider]

But by the sound of it you don't sound like a good tank ether...

Normally, I would ignore comments like this but I'm feeling masochistic today so I'll bite.

SCH has the highest skill requirement of all healers. As you say, they HAVE to know an encounter inside and out in order to play effectively. He claimed to only have problems with SCH healers and not WHM or AST. Maybe it's cause WHM and AST can just powerheal thru but if he was a bad tank, even they would struggle as well to an extent, would they not?
So isn't it even remotely possible that it was the SCHs he was with that need to "GIT GUD" and not so much Ogulbuk?

I mean, seriously, was the personal attack necessary at all to make any sort of a point with your comment?

[Ftail]

I did say somewhat pointless, not completely pointless and even in that scenario, it's still only a chance to reduce damage so it's not a guaranteed thing, which is something I've never liked about EfaE but since it was a natural part of SCH prior to SB it wasn't a big deal but now that it's a cross role, competing with several other abilities that, depending on the encounter, are more useful than EfaE, I barely ever use it now, if at all.

Only 1 healer needs to take protect, and the main point of deployment tactics is to spread Aldo. Not taking and using it with aldo would be like having a cake with no icing on the top.

[YanderePrincess]

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You can't leave out Asylum, which is another 800 potency over 24s, though will only get used once. And, with 16x Cure IIs, we easily have plenty of Lilies to get -20% on the cooldown of Tetra, Assize, and Asylum, which drops Tetra and Assize down to ~48 seconds, and you're leaving out Divine Benison's shield which would be usable at least twice per 45 second period if used with 3 lilies (which, again, with 16x Cure IIs is easy).

So no, whm won't fall behind as the fight goes on. You're also spending 1800mp for every Adlo, while we're spending only 1200mp for Cure II.

You also can't even remotely argue that whm has a higher risk of overhealing. Any competent whm will know whether a spell is likely to overheal, and the only risk of overhealing is on crits, which we don't prioritize in our gear anyway because it's too unreliable. And, with how low priority Adlo is to use now, I don't really see it being worthwhile for SCH to prioritize crit anymore either, which'll just make those adlo crits even rarer.

I will say, having finally finished getting SCH to 70, it definitely catches up a decent bit after 68 with quickened Aetherflow, but whm is still just better in every way.

And I'm gonna call you out for lying on your last comment if you're talking about any dungeon above lv65. Only way that might be possible is if you're not doing large pulls and people are in max ilvl gear for lv70. I've literally done an entire dungeon as whm never casting anything other than Regen, but that was Antitower, not 65+.

[YanderePrincess]

Another thing I want to add, and this seems to be lost on a LOT of people:

SCH has ZERO opportunity cost in holding onto their oGCD's. This is an amazing benefit and is one of the reasons they are competitive with WHM in healing.

If a WHM holds on to assize/tetra for emergencies, every single second that those two skills are not on CD is lost potency/mp efficiency.

A SCH can hold onto their 3x lustrates for up to 45s, and then immediately blow all 3 and be back with 3 more stacks, with 0 lost to potency or mp efficiency.

A basic way to look at it is that WHM is pressured to keep their oGCD's on cooldown for optimum efficiency, at the cost of reduced safety.

SCH can hold their oGCD's for up to 45s without losing any efficiency, and without the cost of any reduced safety. It's a huge difference between the two classes but knowing how to ration AF stacks gives SCH's a huge leg up on WHM in terms of versatility, and is one of the reasons why it's possible for SCH to heal without using a single hardcasted GCD.

And if they're taking enough damage that we need to use our oGCDs soon as they come off cooldown, then yo'ure not going to be affording to hold onto your OGCDs either. If you're able to afford to hold onto your oGCDs for 45seconds, then so can we. There's no efficiency loss when there's literally no need for the extra heals. In such situations, you're probably overcuring with those 3 blown lustrates anyway, making them completely irrelevant and just as "lost" as the potency you claim we're losing when we're not having to cast oGCDs soon as they come off cd.

[YanderePrincess]

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Yeah, go ahead adn take Physick off your hotbar. You're going to start having full party wipes due to your stupidity. Stop spreading lies to make yourself feel better.

[Starflake]

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It doesn't need a 200 up front potency (whispering dawn) because it's free and it's a OGCD. Your whole reasoning is again terrible. You seem so focussed on comparing SCH to WHM in the rawest sense that you forget everything else about it which makes it so good to use. If you want to use Cure II as a Scholar, you use Emergency Tactics on your Adlo, which again, if it crits heals for 30K hitpoints. Does Cure II do that? I don't think so. I don't understand what you mean by too high of an MP cost either. You're not supposed to spam Adlos left, right and centre. You don't spam Cure II on a WHM either, especially in a raiding scenario where your Regen, Tetra and if you're with a Scholar the pet regen will do the majority of the work. All I see is just bad gameplay if you spend your time spamming it.

Adlo is just an on demand shield that can mitigate huge amounts of single target and aoe damage. It is the strongest Aoe damage mitigation in the entire game. It does not need higher potency, but perhaps a slightly less MP cost. But I never had issues with my mana at all. You don't rely on crits in any way, shape or form, they are just nice to have. You don't go in savage for example, let the tank drop to ten percent because you're relying on your next Adlo to be a crit to mitigate the tank buster. It's a void and frankly terrible point to make and it holds no sense whatsoever.

We don't need a compensation of Cure II (which we do it's called Emergency Tactics). We bring other tools and utility that other classes do NOT have. It's again a terrible form of comparison when you're ignoring all the other tools a Scholar brings. You have ignored the party where I named all the useful pet abilities, Chain Strategem, Emergency Tactics, Deployment Tactics instant 10k heal every thirty seconds, Excog, Fey Union ... They are all tools that make it that Scholar lacks in the ST despart. What you would have is making SCH as strong as WHM in the ST department while keeping all your goodies it does not have? And people agree with this?

What you again fail to mention on the cost of Aetherflow stacks is that is builds Fey Union, so every stack you use, be it on Lustrate, Indom, Energy Drain, Excog ... It builds your gauge so you can just you know, let your fairy shit out 7k heals for free for a good thirty seconds! You seem to be coming back to this Cure II. So tell me, say we do give Scholar a Physick II with the same potency. What about White Mage exactly would you take to savage progression. What would be balanced then? I'll tell you what would be balanced, nothing would be balanced. You have no idea what you are talking about when you say that White Mage is better than Scholar in any way. None whatsoever.

I also - again - have no idea what you are doing with your pet in eight man content. My fairy has died once because she was placed in front of Catastrophe as he was dishing out his mini tankbusters. That's it. Place your pet better. In 8 man content, and in particular savage that are zero things that should be an issue with regard to your pet's health. Absolutly none.

Scholar is indeed far from useless and it is not weak at all in comparison to other healers. You just decide to focus on a single aspect of healing (single target) and seem to magically forget about everything else. It's in a very good place right now and most high end statics use it as the meta and I'll tell you why.

1. Chain Strategem
2. OGCD Embrace that is stronger than Regen on both healers
3. OGCD instant Indom healing you for almost the same amount as Cure III
4. Free OGCD medica II
5. Very good DPS toolkit and uptime because of the fairy
6. The ability to give 10% healing buff to other healers
7. The ability to increase magic resistance by 20%
8. The ability to give the strongest aoe shield in the entire game
9. The ability to use Fey Union which gives healers FULL DPS uptime when another regen is appliled
10. Chain Strategem again

I highly advise you actually look up some high end content from Scholars. I will do the courtasy for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaH-lSPrtvY
And if you want, I can also send you some FFlogs data. I score around 90th percentile on SCH DPS, am by no means amazing. But I do also use essential heals while DPSing like 70% of the time at least. I dish out almost the same healing as my Astrologian with much less uptime on healing. I don't think you actually understand how powerfully sustained SCH healing actually is. Look at the HPS in the video for example in comparison.

You also did not comprehend Technole his post. He's not saying to remove Physick from your hotbar indefinitely. He is saying that most of Scholar heals should come from your OGCD heals, your Pet, Union ... And he would be correct. In that video I posted, I don't think the Scholar use Physick once. This is the difference between you and high end healers. They know how to optimize. When Technole says that you should delete Physick from your bar in order to actually utlize all the other good shit you have, he would be correct. It would actually be a nice learning experience.

[Riyshn]

If you want to use Cure II as a Scholar, you use Emergency Tactics on your Adlo, which again, if it crits heals for 30K hitpoints.

Honestly, I got to this and then stopped reading your post. Stop trying to make arguments centered around Adlo's crit case, because it only makes you sound uninformed. Can Adlo heal/shield for absurd amounts? Yes, absolutely. It's right there in the tooltip. Will it when you need it to? Almost never, especially with how low current stats make the crit rate. The random nature of crit means that it can never be counted on. Which means that it can't be planned around. Which means that as far as value calculations go, it might as well not exist.

[Starflake]

Honestly, I got to this and then stopped reading your post. .

An Emergency Tactics none crit heals for 12k hitpoints. A Cure II heals for 14k. An Emergency crit adlo heals for 30k, a Crit cure II hits for 24k. So you're obviously missing the point here. When it needs to? I never said when it needs to because crits on demand would be absolutely broken. It's only 2k short of an actual Cure II, sure, it costs more mana too, but you're not supposed to be spamming it. That and when it does crit, it heals for 6k more than a Cure II. We have no Cure II equivalent you say? We do, weaker on one front, stronger on the other. Which is fine considering all the other utility Scholar brings that a WHM doesn't. I highly urge you to actually read what I'm saying rather than dismiss it because of your own bias.