Sadly sayiing goodbye to SCH

[YanderePrincess]

I pull 1.5k DPS on trash

Is 1.5k a lot? I'm asking seriously here, I'm not familiar with the actual dps output of healers currently.

[YanderePrincess]

I get the feeling that people leaving SCH now only played the job in HW because it was OP/EZ mode and now they simply can't cope (hence switching to AST).

I haven't reached 70 on sch yet, admittedly. That said, in the 60s, I'm honestly kinda hating sch, and I never used it in HW, so it's got nothing to do with not being able to cope with "it no longer being OP/EZ mode." I did use sch for a long while in my static for Second Coil back in 2.x (even got my Omnilex Novus for it, though got to switch to what was my real main at the time (blm) before any additional stages were added, so never took it past novus). It was fun back then. It wasn't "EZ mode," though it wasn't exactly super hard, either. It felt appropriate and enjoyable. Now, it feels like pulling teeth, especially compared to when I was leveling whm to 70 in these same dungeons.

[YanderePrincess]

SCH's single-target healing capability is arguably stronger than WHM (bene won't be up for every pull), and you shouldn't be running out of MP in DF - the fights just aren't long enough.

Pressing indom is like a get-out-of-jail-free card in dungeons too, every 30s.

How is SCH's single target healing capability stronger than whm? I rarely need benediction on whm, and I have Tetragrammaton every minute for insta-cast 700 potency, and constant Cure IIs for 700 potency, with Cure at 450 potency. SCH has Physick at 400 potency, Lustrate at 600 potency (max 3 per minute, or 3 per 45 seconds with quickened aetherflow), and Adlo which has a combined potency of 600, and at lv68 costs 450 more mp than Cure II costs at lv70.

SCH can theoretically handle a need for quick burst healing more often than whm, due to lustrate + aetherflow cd vs Benediction's 3 minute cd, and that is useful, but that's an emergency case issue, which really should not be coming up more often than benediction cooldown, and even if it does, Cure II + Tetragrammaton is pretty much a simultaneous heal for about 1400 potency, while two lustrates is only 1200 potency, and 3 lustrates only beats it by 400 potency with its total of 1800, and has consumed all of your aetherflow stacks, so you're stuck with the 400 potency Physick and 300/300 potency, horribly mana inefficient Adlo.

[YanderePrincess]

A guaranteed spot in any end game raid. SCH has always been strong, if not OP, since ARR.

Of course it had a guaranteed spot in 2.x. There were only two healers and it synergized well with whm.

[Dregenfox]

You're not factoring in the fairy's healing capability at all, which is a free ~55 pot/s that you don't even have to think about while dodging stuff, or more with the 40% pot boost from rouse.

WHM can CureII + tetra once a minute, SCH can Adlo + lustrate three times every 45s. Or adlo+lustrate+lustrate. The potency for both methods over 45s is the same if SCH alternates between adlo+physick, and more than WHM if SCH spams adlo (but not sustainable due to mana).

[Hysterior]

AST cannot single target heal anywhere near what up to 3 Lustrates can do in a matter of seconds. As stated by the previous poster, AST cannot shield and regen at the same time in the middle of battle. AST cannot provide consistent, sustained personal DPS. AST cannot spread both a crit shield AND Eye for an Eye to every member of the party.

If you have to use 3 lustrates in a row, then you blow all your cooldown. Does not sound like a positive point.
Spread adlo is great WHEN it crits. Spread EoE.. can't even think of one fight where it could really be of use.
free healing from fairy is awesome but without sustain she can become a liability.
Shield + regen, sure, but that's why you are paired with a healer who can do the opposite

Again, I still like SCH so not ranting or anything, it's perfectly viable.
just don't see all these points you listed as positive compared to what the cards alone can bring as raid utility.

[Vyriah]

Are there seriously people still going on about that "SCH is OP/EZ job".

I can't even understand how you can come to conclusions like "SB SCH is harder to play than HW SCH" or "SCH single target heal is better than WHM because lustrate*3".

Also, AST have one HoT on their dome thing, they have their own signle target burst (wich is enough, 1k8 heal potency serves absolutly no purpose for its cost) and now a stupid good AoE heal with earthly star.

So yeah, indom press weaved in the DPS rotation is also stupid good, but after that it's lot of gimmicks tools thay may or may not works. It was patched 4.05 to be not underperforming for Omega's insane raid damage, but it's still a job that have a lot of skill to press but no overall design since SB.

[Dregenfox]

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See I don't get what the deal people have with SCH blowing 3x lustrates if its needed. It's usually up within 40 seconds in the worst case, and even then you always have dissipation which will usually give you 6x stacks due to AF trait.

The other thing is that everyone says SCH is out of tricks once they use 3x lustrate, but WHM are also pretty much out of tricks when they use tetra+assize, and that's only 1000 pot. SCH on the other hand gets almost that much pot just from excog alone, or 1200 from just 2 lustrates.

WHM do get benediction, but in most cases it needs to be planned to be used at <20% hp effectively, otherwise it's just a ~1200 pot heal on a 3 minute cooldown that results in lots of overheal afterwards. It basically needs to combo with holm/LD. SCH can get that and more with dissipation.

[technole]

You better have a good reason to blow 3 lustrates in a single stack, because it doesn't take that many to get someone in safe HP range for possible mechanics. You have Eos Embrace to do the topping-off job for everyone, so use her.

You have Excog now for more potency at <50%, use that. Raise someone and they need HP now? Throw Excog, not burn up all 3 of your stacks.

[Vyriah]

But it's just pointless, no one ever need that much healing. I don't even understand why "who as the best 1k+ potency heal" would mean something as you won't use it in the actual game ever on normal condition.

So yeah, SCH can do that.
If that's your kink, you can even open your triple lustrate with medecine + swiftcasted addlo under largess, illumination and dissipation. But why in the world would you want to do something like that other than just wanting to have de bigest numbers ?