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    Archamgel's Avatar
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    Logan Grayborn
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by IanFrench View Post
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    That flat ~200 potency stronger shield is definitely more favorable than the heal it brings (along with it costing less mp and being instant cast). You don't use the shields for the healing. You have healing spells and abilities for that. As for Adlo being stronger, it is only stronger during a crit and those only happens ~15% of the time and having to fish for it will leave you oom, then you have to get everyone stacked near the guy that it popped on. All that for only a 100 potency stronger shield. Succor is roughly 25% more mana, and mitigates for less as well. Again, Noct is better at this shield as well (but only by about 50 potency).


    I believe you may be downplaying the cards a bit, too. Giving a raid-wide 5% damage buff brings in 40% more damage than your team could pull otherwise. Even 10% on the right person is pretty good. Or even 10% less damage on everyone is pretty good, and 20% less on the tank is like giving them a free Bulwark that lasts longer than the real thing.

    I definitely agree with you on the Whm being in a perfect spot. When I go to solo heal Susano, Whm is the only one I would take, since I run with PUGs and Whm can fix the "happy little accidents" much more easily than the other two.

    I agree to an extent with "Many scholars complain about the slightly lower potency, but sch have three spells that can boost their healing potency(AST only have one) and they have the strongest 0GCD and free powerful abilities among all healers". They have powerful aetherflow abilities, but they are to planned accordingly and carefully. If you reach a point where your group has made two high damage mistakes, you better hope they don't make a third because you don't have Helios or Medica to back up the Indom and ET you had to use. I am perfectly fine with us having lower potency heals than the other two. I never had complaints until this x-pac, and my biggest is that we are more throughput healers than ever here.

    As for "Sch's identity is not the shields(Not anymore since there are three healers for two positions in party)", that shouldn't be a problem. There are so many MMOs with shield healers and then have 5-10 other healer types as well, that if this is a problem, then it is a failure on the devs end.
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    Naomi Enami
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Archamgel View Post
    I believe you may be downplaying the cards a bit, too. Giving a raid-wide 5% damage buff brings in 40% more damage than your team could pull otherwise. Even 10% on the right person is pretty good. Or even 10% less damage on everyone is pretty good, and 20% less on the tank is like giving them a free Bulwark that lasts longer than the real thing.
    Oh my friend, you over estimate those buffs WAYYYY to much.

    A 5% on every member of the group isn't a total of 40% increase. It's a 5% increase to group DPS. Less so because that can only happen 30s every minute if you're lucky with EACH and EVERY Draw. So at most, it's a 2.5% total DPS increase. Much less due to how RNG works.

    P.S. Bulwark is bad. The static 20% reduction you mean is Rampart.

    Outside of that. I think SCH's identity is the "pet healer" who can push more throughput due to pet and oGCDs, or DPS as the pet covers for the not-so-dangerous "trash damage". SCH's only problem in my opinion is that it is outclassed in throughput, in both healing and DPS, by WHM. And outclassed as a proactive healer by Noct AST. It probably is still the best off-healer out of the three however.

    ~ Phoenicia ~
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    Logan Grayborn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenicia View Post
    ~ Phoenicia ~
    Lol, no no no. I didn't mean, like, 40% total damage. I really did that part badly (words have never been my strong suit), but if the 4dps are pulling around 4k, the tanks about 2k, and healers about 1.5k, then it is almost like having another healer dps for 30secs at 1.3k bonus dps. But, the cards are very useful as well. Not as outrageously as I made them sound with the 40% thing, but definitely not something to scoff at.

    PPS: Yep. I don't even know why I thought of Bulwark. I only just got my Drk to 70 (my only tank) and it definitely doesn't have that, so I am not sure how I confused it with Rampart. Excuse my blunder.

    I could see that, but as it stands in FFXIV, having pets is more of a hindrance than anything. Even with always having Eos in Obey, she either doesn't perform the command, or takes forever to do so. And then there is poor Selene... They have also been pretty adamant with this x-pac about not wanting the fairies to be the frontload of healing, either, with the Embrace nerf. Rouse+FI+WD is an amazing regen, but I wouldn't call it (nor want it to be) a pet class because of it. That may just be my "FFXI Sch is the best iteration of it" inside me saying that, but pet AI needs quite a bit of work for it to be a pet based healer. I always just saw her as more of a means to heal up the damage that got through mitigation and prolong dps.
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