Plenary Indulgence was THIS close to being good.

[Eira95]

Soooooo, Stoneskin II?

Because that's what Divine Benison is.

A Stoneskin buffed to 15% absorption with a timer.

Yes, I know what Stoneskin II was and how DB became our new Stoneskin, that's why I suggested they replace PI with it. So why not bring it back whats so wrong with that?
Instead of giving us a spell that in almost every encounter will provide nothing more then overhealing.

[IhzaMhaskova]

Yes, I know what Stoneskin II was and how DB became our new Stoneskin, that's why I suggested they replace PI with it. So why not bring it back whats so wrong with that?
Instead of giving us a spell that in almost every encounter will provide nothing more then overhealing.

Mostly because I would much rather have Stoneskin back as it was.

To use Divine Benison I am locked out of using Tet, Asylum, or Assize because it requires a Lily.

I'd just rather have Stoneskin as it was.

[IhzaMhaskova]

Mostly because I would much rather have Stoneskin back as it was.

To use Divine Benison I am locked out of using Tet, Asylum, or Assize because it requires a Lily.

I'd just rather have Stoneskin as it was.

Or we could be given a toggle to activate and deactivate Lily usage which would solve my problem.

[Eira95]

Mostly because I would much rather have Stoneskin back as it was.

To use Divine Benison I am locked out of using Tet, Asylum, or Assize because it requires a Lily.

I'd just rather have Stoneskin as it was.

Again let me say this, yes I know. Every WHM feels your pain in this matter. We're all upset that Stonskin I/II were removed and we were left with the bastard version of it in the form of DB, that's locked behind Lilies. All I was suggesting was removing PI and giving us a party wide DB because I believe it would be better then what we have now not what we had prior to 4.0.

[Sebazy]

Pps, you'll have absolutely no shortage of Lilies in Savage. I was able to use Benison very reliably for the tank switches in O2S whilst still guaranteeing 2/3 lilies for Assize for example.

[Eira95]

Pps, you'll have absolutely no shortage of Lilies in Savage. I was able to use Benison very reliably for the tank switches in O2S whilst still guaranteeing 2/3 lilies for Assize for example.

I'm sure you did, however that's not what we were discussing. I was suggesting removing PI or making it into a trait and replacing it with a party wide DB. Because outside of O2S it is a very niche ability that quite frankly would cause nothing but overhealing. I have never once been in an encounter where I said to myself "oh if only this ability was off cooldown we could have survived." As it is right now we have so many heals it would be nice to have some form or damage mitigation that's all I'm suggesting.

[IveraIvalice]

I never liked the idea that every job is mostly balanced around the hardest content in the game. Yes it does need to be balanced for that but not ONLY that. If there is a spell or ability that will be unused most of the time or not ever see it's full potential unless I step in a savage raid then that's a huge disappointment. I'm not big on raids, not my bag of cheetos but I'll do a bunch of other stuff and I would like to have all my spells and abilities be useful for normal content like dungeons. The stacks seem like it fits in that category, I'd just like some ability that is more reliable so that I can make full use of it in any content. If there was no timer on it then I can plan when to use it at least.

Or as Eira95 said maybe have the spell do something DB related. Maybe it's similar to the aoe spread of astrologian's cards but on a long cool down. Idk but I don't want to feel like it's a lackluster ability for 90% of the game unless I go into raids or in some extreme fights.

[Sebazy]

I have never once been in an encounter where I said to myself "oh if only this ability was off cooldown we could have survived."

I can't really sugar coat this so sorry in advance but...

Perhaps the reason that you've not had to use our burst healing abilities is because you've not done the content that actually requires it? AoE mitigation isn't a WHM's job and never should be imo, and besides, it's not like that's needed in casual content either right? The ease with which we can guarantee a lily proc for a Tank Buster means Benison is now stronger than Stoneskin has been in years IMHO.

Consider dipping your toes into some raid content, some people might still find fault with WHM's lack of group utility right now, but I can promise you that it's more enjoyable to play now than it ever was throughout SB (irrespective of it's varying position in the meta).

[Eira95]

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What your suggesting is that having a sixth AOE heal, thats only used for one fight in the game is justification enough to keep it. Whereas having a mitigation ability that could be used on pretty much every boss isnt worth it because its "not our job." Im sorry but no, my job is to maximize healing output while minimizing overhealing and MP use and I believe we could better achieve that by having mitigation.

We already have burst healing when we pop Swiftcast coupled with Largesse anyways. Since you have pointed out that Lilies are so plentiful now there should never be a time when Assize it’s used without at least one active. So not only does that heal for the same potency as a 2 confession stack PI but it also does damage, restores MP and would have a shorter cooldown. What I'm saying is that PI brings nothing to the table that can't be done by all of our other abilites that we already had.

[Katryn]

Paired PI with med 2 for extra 150 splash heal during Zenos AOE in Ala Mhigo. Very happy with results. Should also be fabulous on Shinryu, Susano, and the final boss of Temple of the Fist.