SCH opinons on the change

[Lildragora]

The thing about scholar right now is that it looks good on paper. Just like what you just mentioned about using faerie, however the fae is super clunky to use. To make it cast a spell you want at the right time might take up to 5 seconds.

Try casting whispering dawn mid fight... if your fae don't have any embrace queued for healing others its fine. Except for the fact that you want to use fae spells to help bring up the team at the most chaotic time. Imagine your team is suffering huge AOE damage and you try to use whispering dawn.... takes at least 5 seconds to do it cause of the AI messing up thinking she gotta embrace the whole bloody team with her tiny hands.

You can tell scholars to get gud by planning the AOE phase but fights like Susano is more reactive. If there is just one person that sets off the lightening on the team... you can't "pre-plan" that.

inb4 pop Fey Covenant before the lightning phase.. The fairy really needs a rework, id even say on Obey it shouldn't even auto cast embrace. Half the time I try to direct it to heal someone specific while im prepping another cast its always doing its own thing and it ends up making the ordeal worse than what I wanted. Sure the embrace goes off, but maybe I was already healing that person or the person who I wanted to heal was in danger of taking damage and the person it is healing isn't. Such as healing a dps after an aoe when I really want it to heal OT for new incoming damage while im focusing on MT.

[Rubiss]

I just did some dungeons as a SCH. The changes feel really nice.

[RajaVamberaux]

I don't hate them, but they certainly not what the Job needed. Did Indom need more potency? Not really. What it needed was a shorter cooldown. Did Emergency Tactics need a shorter cooldown? Probably, but 20s is still too long for what they want it to be.

Indom on a shorter cooldown would be broken. It's already the shortest instant-cast AoE.

Miasma II is nice, but do they want it to be an AoE DoT or an AoE damage spell? They tried both, and it seems underwhelming that way (and it's still point blank).

Why not both? It’s a strong filler spell as-is. If you want an ultra-powerful AoE nuke maybe you should try WHM. Or maybe you want all healers to be the same?

However, Adlo and Succor are still too expensive and inefficient.

Scholar's shields cost more because in addition to Lucid Dreaming they have Aetherflow on 60s. Noct AST does not have this. Why people keep complaining about the MP costs while neglecting the superior MP regeneration and MP-saving abilities Scholar has is beyond me.

Healing boosts don't affect all of SCH's abilities.

This is true for all healer abilities. Your point?

Dissipation still locks out the fairy gauge and a lot of the SCH's kit.

In case you haven’t noticed, the fairy has no abilities 2/3rds of the time. Rouse only lasts 20s. If Whispering Dawn and Fey Illumination aren’t on cooldown with Rouse you’ve done it wrong. That remaining 40s every minute is perfectly suited to either tethering the fairy, or dissipating. Dissipation does not “lock the SCH’s kit”, it opens up 5 abilities.

Fey's Union is still underwhelming as a "reward" for using Aetherflow.

Fey Union is more "rewarding" than Lilies.

Excog can't be passed via Deployment.

Allowing Excog to be passed via Deployment is essentially turning 1 stack into 8. You clearly can't see how broken that would be since you keep mentioning it in different threads so I guess we can all be thankful you aren't on the healer balancing team.

[RajaVamberaux]

The thing about scholar right now is that it looks good on paper. Just like what you just mentioned about using faerie, however the fae is super clunky to use. To make it cast a spell you want at the right time might take up to 5 seconds.

Try casting whispering dawn mid fight... if your fae don't have any embrace queued for healing others its fine. Except for the fact that you want to use fae spells to help bring up the team at the most chaotic time. Imagine your team is suffering huge AOE damage and you try to use whispering dawn.... takes at least 5 seconds to do it cause of the AI messing up thinking she gotta embrace the whole bloody team with her tiny hands.

You can tell scholars to get gud by planning the AOE phase but fights like Susano is more reactive. If there is just one person that sets off the lightening on the team... you can't "pre-plan" that.

It's not nearly as troublesome as you make it sound.

There's 3 seconds max before Eos begins casting what you commanded her -- the length of her GCD. Scholar has always been about foresight and planning, so as you learn the fights you know when to use fairy abilities.

I... don't think you're using Whispering Dawn at the right time. Indom or swiftcast Succor would be better used here (inb4 Indom might be on cooldown - no it wouldn't. In Susano if someone misplaces the lightning Indom should absolutely be off cooldown; there is no AoE damage in the prior 30s).

All I can say is, "use the right tool in the right situation."

[inhaledcorn]

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Lol @ u for thinking Indom would be broken. That's hilarious. Where's our Medica equivelent? Hm? Oh, Succor and Emergency Tactics and Indom? Indom is free, and it just costs Aetherflow?! Oh, yes, Aetherflow... you know, that thing that we also use on Lustrate... and Excog... and Sacred Soil... and Bane... and Energy Drain... oh, Energy Drain... That thing that does damage and grants MP. So, y'know, when we don't use Energy Drain, that's MP we're not getting. Yeah, tell me how free Indom is again?

Miasma II will either not really get any DoT ticks if in large groups, or its DoT ticking is underwhelming when in smaller groups.

How many healing abilities does WHM and AST have? How many does SCH have? How many are the three reliant on? Pretty sure, if WHM and SCH are tied, SCH is much more reliant on their healing abilities than WHM is.

"No abilities 2/3rds of the time" what are you even talking about, like really. You used them. They're abilities that are there. Dissipation stops you from using them. Sure, they're on cooldown, but they're there. And, like I said above, the healing boost does almost nothing for SCH because SCH is super dependant on healing abilities and the Fairy to cover what they can't. That's not changing.

"Oh look, a slightly stronger regen on a single target meaning I have to heal everyone else with Indom or Emergency Tactics because my fairy won't do that while channeling the tank. Thank you, Fey's Union. You're exactly what I wanted from the expansion."

Then don't make Excog cost Aetherflow! Excog and Sacred Soil don't need to cost Aetherflow because they're hardly worth the Aetherflow. Sure, Excog might be more worth it now, but, I gotta go back to my Energy Drain argument. Excog's cooldown to 45s didn't change the problem of "It costs Aetherflow".

[Rubiss]

Lol @ u for thinking Indom would be broken. That's hilarious. Where's our Medica equivelent? Hm? Oh, Succor and Emergency Tactics and Indom? Indom is free, and it just costs Aetherflow?! Oh, yes, Aetherflow... you know, that thing that we also use on Lustrate... and Excog... and Sacred Soil... and Bane... and Energy Drain... oh, Energy Drain... That thing that does damage and grants MP. So, y'know, when we don't use Energy Drain, that's MP we're not getting. Yeah, tell me how free Indom is again?

Miasma II will either not really get any DoT ticks if in large groups, or its DoT ticking is underwhelming when in smaller groups.

How many healing abilities does WHM and AST have? How many does SCH have? How many are the three reliant on? Pretty sure, if WHM and SCH are tied, SCH is much more reliant on their healing abilities than WHM is.

"No abilities 2/3rds of the time" what are you even talking about, like really. You used them. They're abilities that are there. Dissipation stops you from using them. Sure, they're on cooldown, but they're there. And, like I said above, the healing boost does almost nothing for SCH because SCH is super dependant on healing abilities and the Fairy to cover what they can't. That's not changing.

"Oh look, a slightly stronger regen on a single target meaning I have to heal everyone else with Indom or Emergency Tactics because my fairy won't do that while channeling the tank. Thank you, Fey's Union. You're exactly what I wanted from the expansion."

Then don't make Excog cost Aetherflow! Excog and Sacred Soil don't need to cost Aetherflow because they're hardly worth the Aetherflow. Sure, Excog might be more worth it now, but, I gotta go back to my Energy Drain argument. Excog's cooldown to 45s didn't change the problem of "It costs Aetherflow".

Excog is 100% better. The potency is much higher and duration increase being in line with Aetherflow's recast means you almost always get value out of it. Excogitation has gotten much better. Energy Drain? That's what's not really worth the Aetherflow at this point. Any SCH crying about MP, I'm sorry but you're bad. Lucid Dreaming may be annoying and weird but it gives you more than 20% of your MP. That's the funny thing. SCH's MP regeneration got better in 4.0, it was just the cost of Adloquium and Succor went up. These aren't skills you spam anyways.

[Ilenya]

Scholar's shields cost more because in addition to Lucid Dreaming they have Aetherflow on 60s. Noct AST does not have this. Why people keep complaining about the MP costs while neglecting the superior MP regeneration and MP-saving abilities Scholar has is beyond me.

It's almost as if people are aware that AST do have other means to recover MP besides Lucid Dreaming. Lightspeed to reduce costs if need be, Ewer for MP recovery, which can be extended if needed. The idea that AST doesn't have means to recover MP outside Lucid is just wrong.

[Archamgel]

My opinion:

How do I say this without sounding extremely ungrateful? I am happy that they knew how behind we were, but I don't think they quite remember how we work.

Emergency Tactics- Solid buff. Not too much, not too little. A 20sec cd to do a double heal isn't bad...but...more later.

Indomitability- Whew. Did not see that coming. Ok, I guess, but it isn't what I know we need.

Excogitation-This is a great thing. It is closer to what we need. This is now a real savior.

Fey Union-Honestly don't know how the problems (and the ones that still persist) got through playtesting, if there is any extensive amount.

Aetherpact-Same as above.

Quickened Aetherflow-This was felt extremely when I ran a dungeon just a bit ago. Chunking off 5 seconds with each aetherflow ability makes it to where I feel like I am not starving for stacks. I feel like this is the strongest buff we had.

Miasma II-You got me SE! I honestly thought you were gonna just slap our old Miasma II back on. I only have 2 problems with this. 1. The DoT is weird. Why add a DoT to our spammable AoE? Not gonna complain, really, seeing as how it is a full 100 more potency if it ticks all the way (which doesn't have a dropoff!!!). 2. It's still melee range, and feels like it doesn't have much of a radius.

Now...onto what I was trying to not sound ungrateful for.

SE, we need to talk. When someone is given a job that they like, hell, that they love do you think they want someone coming in and taking it? I would trade all these healing potency boosts (you can't have Miasma II back, no matter what problems I have with it, we need that damage) for our shielding back. That's what we want!

We don't want to be White Mages. If you wanted us to be that kind of healer, then you should have copy/pasted from XI (not saying I'm not against that idea). But with this Sch, you chose to give us shielding, and that is what we knew for about 4 years. This is a part of why we played Sch. This is what made scholar a perfect pair for Whm in 2.0. Now you give our job to the healer that can switch between two jobs, and try to make us some kind of clunky technical healer? That's just not right.

I know this is probably naggy, or whatever word isn't coming to mind right now, but it's my opinion. My friends have heard me say all this enough to even link me to a certain episode of South Park.

[RajaVamberaux]

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Do you even SCH? lol You have no public parses, so yea.

[inhaledcorn]

Excog is 100% better. The potency is much higher and duration increase being in line with Aetherflow's recast means you almost always get value out of it. Excogitation has gotten much better. Energy Drain? That's what's not really worth the Aetherflow at this point. Any SCH crying about MP, I'm sorry but you're bad. Lucid Dreaming may be annoying and weird but it gives you more than 20% of your MP. That's the funny thing. SCH's MP regeneration got better in 4.0, it was just the cost of Adloquium and Succor went up. These aren't skills you spam anyways.

I'm not crying about MP. Energy Drain, however, is a part of our MP management. It costs Aetherflow like everything else, so its MP recovery does need to be factored in the MP "cost" of other skills.

Also, they don't want us spamming Succor and Adlo, yet they reduce the cooldown on Emergency Tactics? Seems counter-intuitive.