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    Rubiss's Avatar
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    Rubiss Tantegel
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    Cactuar
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    Scholar Lv 90

    Why are RDMs so scared of SMN being able to heal?

    Your job is already extremely easy with very little punishment for making mistake. You have the best burst for single target and have the highest DPS of the casters.

    Who cares if SMN can heal as well or better than RDM? Isn't being OP good enough?
    (7)

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    Tyla Esmeraude
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    Excalibur
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    No, you did not...


    ... You did. XD

    I think you have it backwards. All I see is complaints of SMN not being able to heal like a RDM. It was a question in the live letter actually. That's why this debate is even brought up. SMNs started it. It shouldn't even matter, since that's not even what they were designed for. Sustain is more important for pets since that's what the job 's focus should be about, not healing party members. I don't think RDMs even care if SMN is able to heal to be honest. They are just annoyed at the lack of objectivity for the nerf outcry from the other casters. There's no reason to stirr the pot.
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    Lennard Cruce
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    Typhon
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Red mages aren't the ones who don't want stronger heals for summoner, it's the devs.
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    Cherry Blossoms
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    Ravana
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    lol what? As a RDM, I couldn't give a stuff what SMN's have.
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    Bravo Whiskey
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    Ravana
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    I don't think RDMs care....it's all SE. Here we have a case of 'Class Fantasy'.......
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    Ethan Vayne
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    Ragnarok
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    OP, can I have some of what you're having?
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    Baby, tell me, what's your motive?

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    Celenir Istarkh
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    Atomos
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    You need to watch the Producer Letter Live. It went something like this (video starting 1:15:54).

    "Next question. Red Mage heals scale off INT. Can Summoner heals also scale off INT instead of MND?"
    "Huh?"
    "Ah, I see...."
    "Huh?"
    "Huh?"
    (Repeats question.)
    "You're talking about Summoner, yeah?"
    "Yes, Summoner."
    "Red Mage. Born from both white magic and black magic..."
    "Yes, we know."
    "...Summoner..."
    (audience laughs)
    "...I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're talking about."
    "Yes, that's exactly what we're talking about."
    "If you go there it's just gonna be chaos. You know I was asked just today as well, only black mages can't raise people. I mean BLACK MAGE! It's called BLACK mage!"
    "Yes, you're right. Exactly right."
    "But this is basically the same argument, right?"
    "Yes, I know."
    "Yeah, I understand the argument. With Dual Cast and the kind of healing they can do. When both healers are down and the Red Mage waltz in and saves the day. But, listen, Summoner players, listen okay? Red Mage can raise, okay? And Black Mage, nothing, okay? That's why we have jobs, okay?"
    "Okay, yes."
    "So go play a Red Mage (if you want to do what Red Mages do)."
    "Well yes, on the extreme that's what you end up with."

    Then Yoshida reads online comments.

    "But that's not the point, yes, I know what you're talking about. But if everyone do the same things, like the differences in difficulty we talked about just now, if everything's strictly fair across the board, then they all become the same job. I mean, I don't think games are supposed to be like that. And that's why we're also putting in the utmost effort into adjusting the balance. It's just that we think this way, as a game, it is more interesting. Yeah."
    "Yes. And the next question..."
    (48)
    Last edited by Zfz; 07-16-2017 at 07:15 PM.
    “There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.”
    ― Ernest Hemingway

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    Cidel Paratonnerre
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    Hyperion
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    The answer from the live letter xxxviii:

    Q12. Red mage’s Vercure is affected by the INT attribute, but would it be possible to change summoner’s Physic so that the cure potency changes with INT?

    A12. Red mage was born from both white and black magic; however, summoner is different.

    Summoner can raise players, while black mages cannot. This is part of their role. If we made it so that all jobs can do everything, every job will just become the same, and I don’t think that’s how a game should be.
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    Luna Faye
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    Weaver Lv 51
    I think RDM's could care less....
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    Advent Shadowsoul
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    Zalera
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    RDM dont reaslly VerCare about this. We;re more worried about the crowd that thinks raises should be on a 30 second timer regardless of dualcast, or some seriously wicked spiteful nerfs alot of the nerf threads want to see done to us. BLM healing better than a paladin in 2.0 was silly, i mean blm. As for summoner I think a cure would be great but i thought maybe a sustain or regen insteadiof a direct cure would be fitting
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