Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[savageink]

Some people do exactly that on purpose, yes. It is not very common, but it certainly does happen.

Ick. Way to waste other people's time by forcing them to wait out the timer. Hope he was sad he lost.

[HyoMinPark]

My first ever kick from a PF party. <3 Awh.

Join in on a LM Susano Ex farm to try and at least have a shot at getting the SAM sword (not even bothering asking for a mount in LMs; leaders tend to LM it for themselves and bail out anyways). Comp was PLD/WAR/AST/AST(me)/MNK/SMN/BLM/RDM. We did a one successful pull, no wipes, minimal deaths to things like Churning + Stack markers (that's just pure AIDS anyways), and go back in for another round.

Well, we wipe this round because people have started ignoring their Levin markers; the WAR admitted they were having some lag issues, but the BLM and the RDM both didn't move when they had theirs (not that surprised with the BLM tbh). Our MNK died when Susano was at 8%, and I get trapped in a rock, so I can't raise them. The RDM LB3 (much to the chagrin of the group, who asked them why they didn't let the MNK do it since they were raised shortly after it went off), and I'm broken out of the rock just barely in time, but everything was going downhill from people getting stuck in the Rasen, so we wipe. Second pull, the SMN (I believe it was) said the hold the LB3 for the MNK. We pull again, and in phase 3, people are once again not moving with their Levin markers. The OT is killed by something (I didn't see what; may have been the tankbuster but I was in the rock again so not much I can do), and the MT asks the RDM to Dualcast Raise the OT. They're ignored. The OT is raised by either the SMN or AST, and I'm broken out of the rock, but things are, again, going downhill. MT is fed up with it, calls the RDM out on not helping Raise, and then leaves.

I asked the RDM to please help out with Verraise, or at the very least Mana Shift the healers and give them MP (the SMN had also asked them to help Raise or Mana Shift as well), and they say "It's a DPS loss. We would have wiped to enrage." Our DPS had been fine up until people started dying, and I said our DPS was fine, and they respond with "Sub 3k DPS is not fine" (Ironically enough, they were sub-3k DPS so ). Again, our DPS had been fine enough before people started dying due to not doing mechanics right; it wasn't bad enough to the point where we would hit enrage with zero deaths (could have been better, but it was enough to pass Sword Phase, and this is PF, so I don't complain if we can at least get past Sword). The other healer and I were consistently low on MP this run, and I always had Lucid on CD. Couldn't draw a Ewer for the life of me, but without any MP/resources, how can I be expected to keep people up? Especially when you have a RDM that refuses to help with their instant Verraise every other GCD, and a BLM with infinite MP that never once Mana Shifted myself or the other healer.

Basically, I was kicked for asking the RDM to please support their healers every once in a while, and that it's selfish not to. Because the party leader (who was the BLM) was their friend. Checked the PF after I was kicked, and other people had left after they kicked me, one I know being the helpful SMN that was helping me and the other AST Raise. Hydaelyn bless those that were fools enough to join in on that selfish group.

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Edit: Didn't realize that the picture is that small. eek. Here's a direct link to it.

[Vorx]

Oh dear I feel your pain :/ Unfortunately I can't, we aren't allowed to name and shame on the forums.. wasn't last night was it?

No it was a few weeks ago.

[Vorx]

@Jijifli;

I had the opponent happen to me.
So i'm in a run with people, the healer goes down, very fast. As an RDM i have Vercure and Verraise, all well and good, the one guy goes down i hit swiftcast+Verraise and bring him back, then i move to the tank and cast Vercure. Now keep in mind i'm a DPS, my cure at best is 1000 to 1200 and on PS4 i don't have a mouse so i need to be near someone to cast on that person, what do these guys do? they run to opponent sides of the field and are expecting me to heal them both at the same time! Needless to say we wiped then they start trying to blame me for the whole thing, yeah hello! My role said DPS for a reason! Some people..

[Sylvina]

My first ever kick from a PF party. <3 Awh.

Chat transcript below spoiler tab.

Edit: Didn't realize that the picture is that small. eek. Here's a direct link to it.

If people are using your numbers as a reason to kick you from a group you can report them for breaching the TOS. parsing with 3rd party programs is technically against the rules. they wont go after you for it UNLESS you mention it to someone as a reason to kick them or harrass them.

[Vorx]

I said it before, people THINK they know how to play RDM "the right way" but there is no right way to RDMs, they do it all. Elites are just digging at anything they can to try and still feel like elites anymore. and it ticks them off that RDM is the one class that makes them sound as stupid as they tend to be from time to time.

[HyoMinPark]

If people are using your numbers as a reason to kick you from a group you can report them for breaching the TOS. parsing with 3rd party programs is technically against the rules. they wont go after you for it UNLESS you mention it to someone as a reason to kick them or harrass them.

They weren't using them to harass me; I was on AST, so I would hardly expect to push 3k DPS on Susano on AST. XD They were more so saying that group DPS was bad, but that wasn't the case until everyone started dying due to them and their BLM friend not moving when they had the markers (as to be expected; you can't DPS if you're dead, and while your dead, your DPS just continuously drops). I just found irony in their statement because, as the second to last person to die (I was the last), their own DPS was below what they called out, so they were essentially saying that they were subpar.

I was kicked because I told them to help with raises or Mana Shift myself or the other AST. Or at the very least, move when they had the marker. Fine by me though; I dodged a bullet with that group. I really dislike running Susano with BLMs just because in my (anecdotal) experiences, they never want to move when they are marked for mechanics because "meh deeps." Some melee can be just as bad, but a lot of the times, BLMs are worse.

I said it before, people THINK they know how to play RDM "the right way" but there is no right way to RDMs, they do it all. Elites are just digging at anything they can to try and still feel like elites anymore. and it ticks them off that RDM is the one class that makes them sound as stupid as they tend to be from time to time.

Hopefully this isn't aimed at me. o.o But RDMs have support abilities for a reason, and they should make use of their arsenal to help out the group, be it from Dualcast Verraising a tank that died and needs to get up and get rid of as much of their Weakness as possible before the next swap, or Mana Shift a healer so that they can continue to keep the group alive. To not make use of your complete toolkit, support utilities included, is what makes a person a poor player. You can't get your high-end FFLogs parses in a group that keeps wiping, and if the wipes could be prevented even the least little bit by you using your support toolkit, please use it.

Perhaps this is just because I main BRD, so support roles are nothing new to me, but every job has at least one support utility now (well, except for maybe SAM, since I'm not including things like slashing debuffs here), and players that don't use their support tools to help a group progress and clear are not players I want to party with.

[VanilleFang]

I just have to say a BIG thank you to the group I just run SusEX with. We wiped, and practiced, and wiped, and got better... We ran Susan like... I want to say we wiped probably 8 times. The only person we lost, after the third wipe, was the PLD who wasn't so great anyway. No one got salty, no one got bitchy, and I had an amazing SCH as a cohealer! We eventually cleared it too! (Grats again on your book!) It was a great group that didn't try to blame anyone else for wipes, and owned up to their mistakes... It was literally the ideal PF group and I'm so happy that I joined it tonight.

Thank you for helping me with my clear!

Side Note: Holy crap WHM has retarded MP regen. I fudged up once and was down to like 900~ and just popped Lucid Dreaming and Thin Air and I was back in business. Like wtf... it's amazing and borderline OP.
Side Side Note: Cure III is god spell in SusEX.

[Vorx]

No HyoMinPark it wasn't at you, i'm talking about people i've seen ingame. they claim left and right they know better, but your right RDMs do have support skills, but you don't get them till later on. And it's not all they do, SE gave us enough melee power that even if we don't boost our gauges (which is really hard given all that does boost them) we still rival a monk in terms of damage outputs.
Our magic on the other hand needs to be linked tith another move, i personally use Jolt so i just have to wait on the Jolt to cast then i can cast Verthunder or Veraero if someone tries to cast without this link it takes a while which justifies the high damage they put out.

[Vorx]

(continued)
Then there is the support like you said, not main seem to know you have to link Mana shift (seriously you'd be surprised how many don't) and we don't get cure or revive till after 64.

But all in all its a near perfect class, but there is absolutely no "right way" RDM always has been and always will be a Jack of all Trades style.