Pls dont nerv Shinryu Story.

[Elladie]

Quoted for truth. My gf is still traumatized by Titan HM and won't go even with 280+ ilvl.

This a thousand times. Because of the horror of Titan HM at minimum ilevel I have panic attacks whenever I have to do platform based fights (i.e. You can get knocked off) even if the mechanics are much more forgiving. My hands sweat, my heart races and my brain freezes up. I find it incredibly stressful and struggle to learn the new fight because of my panic. Had exactly this with the Menagerie. Hated every minute of it. Yes I cleared it but I can totally sympathise with people asking for a nerf. I didn't want to spend a second longer in there than I had to

[Rita1989]

I'll take a stance that won't be popular on the forums, but I believe represents a lot of your casual base (who don't even know forums exist - remember, if you are here, you are already more invested than most of the population).

It needs an adjustment.

It's simply too punishing to be part of MSQ. Please, keep the "hard" content to optional content (ex, savage, etc.) My father in law is well into his 60's and, when he gets here, will really struggle with this. One of my sons who plays probablyk 2-3 hours a week will too once he gets here.

Please keep the casual in mind.

It's really not punishing though even if you have 3-4 people screwing up everything as long as you have a decent healer they can basically carry through the fight and soon the ratio will be mostly 7/8 with the clear and they can carry the other person easily people over reacted when it first came out I have 1 shot it the last 2 times I got it in DF.

On 1 run we had whole party minus me (healer) ,1 tank and dps die because of ice and without lb3 was able to recover the fight and win.

[Kosmos992k]

If you think that had anything to do with rude or ego, you clearly do not understand what those words mean, so apart from your pure ignorance on the subject.

So, you are just plain rude. Thanks for confirming it so I can ignore you in future.

[Avatre]

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Someone failed to understand meansing, don't want anyone crying.

If you think that had anything to do with rude or ego, you clearly do not understand what those words mean, so apart from your pure ignorance on the subject. i can almost see your point, seeing as the game is done for them after the last MSQ i guess it shouldn't be to hard for them. tho i don't see why it's difficult, maybe something im missing, perhaps if they do nerf it what do you suggest they do. he's already nothing more then move out of the way of bad circles.

I said it that way because even casual players can still easily beat it, so what's lower then a casual.



Na, you just fail at understand how being rude actually works, thanks for showing your age, you're welcome to, however, it keeps me from pointing out your wrongs in the future and you showing what you don't know, and for me now so i don't have to respond to nonsense.

Learn to read more carefully, and you won't look that silly again.

Actually, your tone, both here and in some of the other locations on the forum, definitely comes off as rude, holier-than-thou, superior, and whatever else you want to use as a "I'm better, just git gud" descriptor.

[Lustaria]

After much deliberation with myself, I do not believe Shinryu should be nerfed. Maybe slightly tweaked to do less mechanic spam? But overall, no, don't nerf it. Even if I was frustrated with myself due to that Trial, I would rather have a challenge that I can feel accomplished to beat, rather than be spoon fed something I didn't earn.

My main problems with Shinryu was that for the most part as people would definite it; I am a 'casual'. I've never done EX stuff or Savage stuff. So, taking all that in overwhelmed me. Especially when 80% of the time I felt that 'Hey! I dodged that!'.

You know, "I moved out of the way before the cast timer ended and I still got hit, what gives!"

It took two? Three? tries to clear Shinryu with my BFF and other randos. But I still didn't feel like I earned the clear because I kept dying to stupid shit that I didn't need to die to, despite my BFF saying 'hey you did your share, it's fine'.

[Clethoria]

"I'm better, just git gud" descriptor.

I mean, that's all it takes for this boss tho. I openly enjoy playing content right at launch and before the video kiddies come along parroting reddit. Never forget The Line. People can learn, and not cry on 1 wipe/cry harder when they can't replicate what the man on the internet said do.

Pay attention, talk to party members, beat the boss.

[VanilleFang]

I just ran RM earlier today just for the hell of it and this is how part if the convo at the end went...

BRD: and there you go (PLD) you just cleared the hardest boss in the game
PLD: Sweet
Me: lol wat
DRK: it's not even hard
BRD: people get stuck on this for hours or even days
Me: Yeah, but it's not really hard. Once you know what you're doing it's fairly easy...
BRD: yeah but an fc friend was stuck in this for 6 hours one day
Me: What how?
RDM: Probably bad luck/groups
BRD: yeah
DRK: People are just bad. They need to learn how to play better.

I don't personally like the "git gud" mentality but the DRK isn't wrong when he says people need to learn.

We didn't even get close to wiping... I don't think anyone even died. I seriously think that as long as you have 1 tank and 1 healer who know the fight you can be easily carried through.

[Avatre]

I mean, that's all it takes for this boss tho. I openly enjoy playing content right at launch and before the video kiddies come along parroting reddit. Never forget The Line. People can learn, and not cry on 1 wipe/cry harder when they can't replicate what the man on the internet said do.

Pay attention, talk to party members, beat the boss.

I prefer running content WITHOUT looking at guides for the most part. For RM, I cleared it the first time in there, on the 3rd or 4th attempt. We had one person who had run it before and let us wipe to the tidal wave because they wanted everyone to experience that(no biggie, probably would have happened for a bunch of people even if they called it out).

[Klonoa7]

Only change I would think they could add is Echo buff.

Or lowered HP. I know Susanoo needs less hp for sure, after he uses his ultimate you spend an eternity whittling him down and he does not even attempt to use his ultimate any more after the first attempt and instead just dances around the battlefield while his health drains ever soo slowly. It really makes it feel like he has a lot more hp than he's meant to have.

[Klonoa7]

I prefer running content WITHOUT looking at guides for the most part. For RM, I cleared it the first time in there, on the 3rd or 4th attempt. We had one person who had run it before and let us wipe to the tidal wave because they wanted everyone to experience that(no biggie, probably would have happened for a bunch of people even if they called it out).

The best way to learn the mechanics for anything is to solo it. When soloing older content you're free of the distraction that is other players and have to deal with all the mechanics yourself, its a good learning experience. Now if only we could do that for at level content (without rewards of course)