BLM should be the SAM of casters.

[BubblyBoar]

BLM has little to no utility and has one of the more troublesome rotations of the casters. While SMN's is admittedly more punishing if you die, RDM's is leaps and bounds easier with even more utility added on. But BLM? It has nothing but DPS and it doesn't even win there.

So how about we give BLM those big numbers too?

[Ferrasper]

BLM has little to no utility and has one of the more troublesome rotations of the casters. While SMN's is admittedly more punishing if you die, RDM's is leaps and bounds easier with even more utility added on. But BLM? It has nothing but DPS and it doesn't even win there.

So how about we give BLM those big numbers too?

We are already discussing this on the dps forums. There are a couple posts about it already.

[Valinis]

28k Foul seems alright to me. I'm not even that geared.

[Ferrasper]

28k Foul seems alright to me. I'm not even that geared.

It more has to do with how our damage is gimped when we have to move a lot due to fight mechanics, so to make up for our lost damage, we need a potency increase to get close to that of Sam to make up for our lost mobility. RDMs are currently beating both SMN and BLM in terms of damage because of their mobility.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

28k Foul seems alright to me. I'm not even that geared.

Single numbers mean nothing in the grand scheme of things.

[magnanimousCynic]

For those who don't frequent the DPS Forums, BLMs have found out that we can use a version of our 3.x rotation, one that uses the new skills but with B4 almost exclusively in the opener, which is possibly a DPS gain instead of using B4 more often for the Umbral Hearts. Both the #1 non-Balance parses for BLM on Susano EX and Lakshmi EX have minimal usage of B4, being 2 and 4 casts respectively.

What's worse is that we can also use an altered 2.x rotation, where we don't use F4, at a mere 3-5% DPS loss over 3.x/4.x rotations. If that tells you nothing then I don't know what to say.

EDIT #1: Here's a link to the thread that has most of the math. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ers-on-4.0-BLM

[Hanayumi]

SAM and RDM are a bit overpowered at the moment, nothing is remotely close to a decent SAM's output and rdm is way quicker at casting and is just fairly easy to pick up. Right now of the casters, smn is in bad shape, a few friends have been noticing pets and bahamut dont seem to be scaling very well, with the same gear a rdm's 550 atk does more then smn's 650 atk when they crit for some reason. As for BLM im pretty content with it at the moment, we got most of burst aoe damage back, eno is hell of a lot easier to maintain even if you do end up having to move a lot, 30 sec recast on eno, transpose can work to extend it and can always just quickcast or triplecast if you're really running all over, its more of learning a fight and knowing where and when to use use your skills. But yeah just need to wait a see what they decide to do, nerf the new jobs or buff the old ones, somethings definitely going to need to change.

[Aomine1992]

I wish ppl would stop calling things over powered.... Because other classes need a buff doesn't mean others are OP it just means they are in a way better spot then the nerfed classes but I'm sure hey will buff BLM which does need it...So just press forward and stop complaining until 4.05 comes out and your class still is gimped

[magnanimousCynic]

Except complaining lets the devs know that something IS wrong! If no one complained about overpowered or underpowered jobs then the dev team would assume that people are okay with the adjustments and that more doesn't need to happen, leaving the problems unfixed. How else do you think that WHM got a consolidated thread on the Healer forums that's over 3,000 posts?

What are your thoughts that a BLM using an altered version of the 2.x rotation only loses ~5% DPS to the 4.x rotation, which is much more movement-punishing?

[Aomine1992]

Except complaining lets the devs know that something IS wrong! If no one complained about overpowered or underpowered jobs then the dev team would assume that people are okay with the adjustments and that more doesn't need to happen, leaving the problems unfixed. How else do you think that WHM got a consolidated thread on the Healer forums that's over 3,000 posts?

What are your thoughts that a BLM using an altered version of the 2.x rotation only loses ~5% DPS to the 4.x rotation, which is much more movement-punishing?

This is why I said stop complaining because there is three huge threads on SCH issues, WHM issues(still the best healer imo), and my all time fave AST to OP nerf please and there are dps threads on every dps class so there is no need to further this argument....And the devs have already said thanks for the feedback and that changes would be considered in 4.05