Dear SE: Please just put STR on tank accessories

[Johaandr]

I hate tank using str 270 ones in primal fight. They either almost die and pop holmgang early or almost die bcuse of lack of health and, never have i cure'd that much on a tank compared to VIT 320 ones. Call me a bad healer because i am not. If tank with 270 wants to dps then i want to throw more extra stones i usually do at those primals instead of spamming cure with my co healer because that tank chose to use str 270 for parsewhatever ! And this is thru DF for lolz.

It have only happend once.

[eagledorf]

They either almost die and pop holmgang early or almost die bcuse of lack of health

Just bad tanks. WAR has short enough cooldowns that they should always have big ones up for the busters and DRK/PLD can basically shield all of them for their co-tank. IF the two tanks are working together doing the primals in i270 STR is very easy. If they're just doing their own thing, it's scary, but still possible in STR. If they're just bad or make a mistake it's not possible.

However, you make a good point in that the current design means tanks can either take their primary stat and make life more difficult for their healer or they have to give up their primary stat for slightly more HP.

[Vallamaria]

There's no reason this has to be the case. Look at the Diadem accessories.

Well not just Diadem accessories but also every single Aetherial accessory in the game too. So it really is odd how some foolish people think that adding STR to Tank accessories would somehow mean less secondary stats. I guess they just assumed that because all non-Aetherial or Diadem accessories only have 4 stats that it must mean accessories in general can only have that many different stats period.

[Rbstr]

Who even cares if they removed a secondary stat? Strength is far better than any of them. I'd make that trade every time.

[Gunnie]

Losing 25% of my HP (36k in a group with str jewelry vs 48k with vit) makes a big difference. Sure for a polished team of people who played together for a while you can make that work. For average Joe in a random duty, that's 25% loss is to much.

What I see will happen is they will just lock out all HW jewelry with the upcoming patch to prevent using this. Might not agree with this completely, but that's the most logical path they will walk.

[EllieShadeflare]

Honestly, the easiest, simplest change is literally a two step process.

1.) Give tanks back their Vitality+Strength calculations from Heavensward, maybe with slight damage reduction versus DPS and Healer DPS. If this sounds OP with Resurrection Sickness as it is, it is. But I said this was a two step process, right? That means

2.) Change the Resurrection Sickness from modifying STR, DEX, INT and MND, and replace it with the following: "Auto attack, damage, magical damage, and healing potency are reduced by x%", with x being 25% on the first rez, 50% on the second. It'd be essentially what it is now, without potentially gimping the HP given from Vitality.

I know why they did the change to STR. They didn't want to gimp tanks when they died through the stat reduction, nor did they want to overpower the tanks by excluding them. Unfortunately, the solution they made that could have fixed the issue, Tenacity, simply has too low a weight to make up for the lack of decrease in DPS, but it's still SOMETHING, at its 200 points per 1% damage, mitigation and healing increase. But just switching back to Vitality immediately without any kind of means to rebalance the system would only cause chaos.

[eagledorf]

Yoshida appears to have confirmed that there will be no change at this time, but said they are planning to have a fix by 4.05.

I want to reiterate what I said as OP, please make sure that tanks are not punished for playing their role by depriving them of their primary stat. Whatever it is you end up doing, we should be able to use our own role's accessories and meld secondary stats just like any other job, not penalized by being forced to meld primary stat to our one open slot or wear obsolete STR accessories.

[Lazka]

so they fixed tank problem just with increased enmity. . . -_-
(based on yoshi-p write on today)

[Falar]

so they fixed tank problem just with increased enmity. . . -_-
(based on yoshi-p write on today)

I figured that's what they would do.

This expansion was aimed at gutting the tanks, especially 2 of them it seems.

[Faytte]

Losing 25% of my HP (36k in a group with str jewelry vs 48k with vit) makes a big difference. Sure for a polished team of people who played together for a while you can make that work. For average Joe in a random duty, that's 25% loss is to much.

What I see will happen is they will just lock out all HW jewelry with the upcoming patch to prevent using this. Might not agree with this completely, but that's the most logical path they will walk.

I've done all the ex primals repeatedly as the mt in i270 accessories in pugs. It doesnt take any sort of super coordination. If you need the extra health then you do not understand the fight mechanics and your cooldowns.