What is this new anti dps healer attitude?

[KisaiTenshi]

For healers it's probably the most important of all the classes that you're always looking what the mobs are casting. That's what the focus target function is for. If you don't know what the enemies are casting, you can't pre-emptively heal, and healer gameplay is all about pre-emptive healing.

I look for the telegraphed actions, as the one consistent thing about every boss is that they always repeat patterns. Boss does X, so next thing will be Y, start casting Z. If you wait until you see the cast bar, it will always be too late unless it's a very long cast. Because none of the healers need to be in the face of the boss, you can rely on whatever big action happens. If you have an exceptionally good tank that knows which actions can be canceled, this of course would throw off what I'd be looking for. In regular trash mobs, sometimes tanks cancel things, and I cancel casting party heals because they're not needed and go back to spot healing.

Also people learn things in different ways, I memorize audio-visual cues, not text cues. This is why I miss some text cues, but when I see people heading for the puddle I know what they are avoiding.

[pigsflew]

As a PLD, I appreciate a Healer who does DPS. If I'm not dead, and our DPS are not dead, we're all clear.

Also, I see it as part of my job that when the damage is heavy or someone goes down to hit Hallowed Ground, then lean heavy on Cover, Benediction, Intervention, etc, to make sure the Healer can regain control without worrying about more deaths. Healers get a lot of shit in this game. Do what your role allows you to make their job easier.

[Taika]

I look for the telegraphed actions, as the one consistent thing about every boss is that they always repeat patterns. Boss does X, so next thing will be Y, start casting Z. If you wait until you see the cast bar, it will always be too late unless it's a very long cast.

Except in difficult content like Savage, the moves aren't usually telegraphed, so you have nothing but cast bars. This is true from very first raid content in this game and things like Twintania's Death Sentence. And when there are telegraphs, they to my knowledge appear at the same time with the cast bar or when the bar is finished.

[BigRed5392]

People who say that healers should not DPS are just ignorant people.

a good player knows when to do and when not to do things. I've seen tanks die due to healers dpsing. (and in b4 rude ass comments, not just my g/f) Most healers likre the op tbh, have not adjusted to the changes in SB. tanks no longer have the defense boost buff, and only have reduced damage buffs. Drks only get 2 1 from their class then rampart, then they have the roll skill parry booster that is it really. untill 70 drk only have 3 buffs to help them out. And even the darkest night only helps out so much.

When mobs are using tank busters that hit for 50%-90% hp, like the last boss in the castrum that does a 50% hp hit, and bleed. Then you got ivan who can 1 shot people with slaughter strike.

then lets not forget shinryu, and healers causing wipes due to no mp due to trying to dps


tbh most people ignore 1/2 their kit by lack of using enmity reducers when needed, not curing well. Not using the correct cure/stance when needed list goes on.

[Taika]

then lets not forget shinryu, and healers causing wipes due to no mp due to trying to dps

Or could it be, perhaps, the people who are messing up mechanics and dying over and over, requiring extra healing and raises, who are causing the wipes, and not the healers who are covering the healing requirements and contributing to DPS while handling mechanics?

Was watching another person do that fight yesterday and they had a WHM with 1500 DPS who also handled healing well. The actual healing requirements for that fight are pretty low, so healer DPS only becomes an issue if other people aren't handling their part. I really loathe the attitude that healer's job is to babysit tanks and DDs who are making any imaginable mistake and then if it results in a wipe it's blamed on the healers...

[BigRed5392]

Made up statistics to push an agenda brought to you by Thunda!

You forgot that not only are they made up they're also so completely unrealistic.

it isn't made up actually, not a lot of healers (like the op) have adjusted well to the changes. When i run dungeons with my g.f I watch her die to trash mobs about 1 per dungeon due to the healer dpsing. In fact we queue'ed for leveling and got bardems mette (the xaela in azim steppe dungeon) and this healer was just standing their casting a dps skill once every 4 second as my g/f hp pool was going down. She had no CD up as they were all used at the pull.

I've also seen the same thing with other tanks. My g/f and said tanks are not large pulling, are using all cd well.. the healer just wants to dps. This kinda stuff happening is making me hesitant to lvl my drk to 70, i want to... but ya.

[BigRed5392]

I really loathe the attitude that healer's job is to babysit tanks and DDs who are making any imaginable mistake and then if it results in a wipe it's blamed on the healers...

the healers job is to heal, if people mess up keep healing. Not healing out of spite makes you look immature, people are not exactly helping out others in the fight, and not all the aoe is easy to avoid.Most of my fights were wipes due to healers. Everyone avoided all required aoe, only time people died was non avoidable aoe not being cured.

i've ran the fight a good 5 times(4 wipes each), and it does have a high cure requirement. maybe do the content instead of just watching it.

[Taika]

the healers job is to heal, if people mess up keep healing. Not healing out of spite makes you look immature, people are not exactly helping out others in the fight, and not all the aoe is easy to avoid.

I didn't say anything about refusing to heal out of spite, all I said if healers aren't doing mistakes but others are, you can't blame the healers for the wipes.

Everyone avoided all required aoe, only time people died was non avoidable aoe not being cured.

Well this is not the situation I was talking about, I was talking about healers who are covering the healing requirements (unavoidable damage) of the fight.

i've ran the fight a good 5 times(4 wipes each), and it does have a high cure requirement. maybe do the content instead of just watching it.

I have done it on AST several times, but haven't parsed my runs so couldn't quote my DPS numbers, so used an example I saw from a parse. I have as many clears as you but can't say I've seen that many wipes. :P

[Toothie-Cat]

happen to me most of the time on dungeon, when im getting a ton of damage without seeing any incoming heal, then i see some stone spell on the mobs XD, sometimes healers do neglect their job, cant do anything since they are locked with the animation, but i appreciate if they assess the situation first before doing some dps, if you think the tank pull too much then forget dpsing for a while, because they need you full time at healing, if you think the tank can take a punch with minimal healing then dps at will.

if i die its fine, im doing my job, keeping my CD at a good rotation, pull mob depends on the capacity of mydps, make sure aggro is on me ALWAYS, the rest is up to the healer, we can keep doing the dungeon all night until such time everyone understand their role and purpose.

real story: we got 3 wipe straight, then the healer said "OK, ill going full heal, LOL" we finish the game EZ

lesson: just keep in mind your role to the team, party first before self satisfaction.

[TankHunter678]

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And I have seen just as many bad tanks who overpull and then bitch about the healer not keeping up despite them popping 0 defensive cooldowns.

One tank in particular stood out to me, he pulled everything in the initial section of Ala Mhigo, I was the healer and burned everything trying to keep him alive.

They did not use a single defensive cooldown, died, and then I imploded. He proceeds to go "Oh I guess I will have to do baby pulls cause of our incompetent healer." When I told him he pulled too much he goes on about how he did that pull before just fine with no issue. I also told him that he should not pull like it was 3 weeks ago in an ilvl sync'd dungeon. He proceeded to leave and we got a replacement newbie tank 30 seconds later and completed the dungeon with no deaths.