Fordola (spoilers)

[VargasVermillion]

Heck some people actually become best friends in life despite that these people may have one thing they will never forgive each other for so they just look past that and look to the future instead of the past.

Look up the railway man as a prime example of this

[VargasVermillion]

In short, I don't think the soldier in question was all that altruistic when it came to Yotsuyu. Besides, he was in the process of actively trying to kill the WoL. In war it's kill or be killed, and all that matters afterwards is who is still alive.

Personally I took this scene as her turning point towards hating domans, her own people treat her like a slave and her brother was the one who came up with the idea that she should be sold off, the soldier in this scene offered to have her educated but they never implied he was the one that sold her or anything, if anything it shows why she sided with the garleans. They offered her a future, her family did not. Plus the soldier himself implied he held some sort of regard for her well being.

[Aquaslash]

I pray to the twelve that Lyse doesn't forgive her after what she did to Meffrid.
Anyone else agree? I just get a feeling Lyse's too nice and will forgive her.

They make a point of explaining that in war, it's killed or be killed. Meffrid's demise was his own doing because he came at her with intent to kill, but wasn't skilled enough to follow through.

I think at the very least, Fordola will be kept around to try to understand that artificial Echo she has.

[Reynhart]

Fordola was merciless, yes - but that also applies to the Warrior of Light and his allies frequently as they end and ruin lives based entirely on someone's allegiance with little to no regard to the consequences.

We sheltered and saved garlean soldiers after Fordola mercylessly killed her own troops with that cannon...troops that were just convinced by Conrad to lay down their weapons.

Come on...

[Alleo]

We sheltered and saved garlean soldiers after Fordola mercylessly killed her own troops with that cannon...troops that were just convinced by Conrad to lay down their weapons.

Come on...

Exactly, we even healed a Garlearn soldier after the battle. I am quite sure that we would have been death if we were the prisoners of the Garleans and seeing the reactions of the Eorzean army, they would have never fired a gun in a tower with a lot of their own people in it. Also Pipin gave Alphinaud and the WoL the chance to talk some of the soldiers out of attacking us which we managed, thus we saved countless of lives.

And lets not forget: In the End it was Garlemald that conquered these states and yet Eorzea did not attack until they were forced by Ilbert. This is war and people will die but if the Garlearns had stayed in their country nothing like that would have happened. So I am kinda tired of people wanting to but the blame on the Eorzean alliance too. They do things wrong too but the aggressor is Garlemald and thus the Eorzean alliance has no chance other than going to war. And in war you will lose people.

I mean, heck, there's a Garlean soldier who is killed by Alisae for striking the Warrior of Light when ambushed. We see through the Echo that same soldier happened to be the one who gave Yotsuyu a chance at a decent education and rescued her from a highly abusive family. Clearly he wasn't a bad guy at all and yet he was cut down as easily as Meffrid was.

He just asked the woman why the girl was not registered and if she should be educated too. We do not know the life of the man so it might be better not to assume that he is good or bad. In the end he could have been the one that searched for the man to sold her too. Also in the end he was a spy for the empire which would have been bad for the rebells. And when we had the echo version he tried to struck us and Alisea had to struck him down. It is war! You cant just go around and let spies like that live, simply because it could mean losing the war. Its the hard and horrible truth of war. There is simply no right nor wrong, but sides. Yet SE clearly showed with actions who was the worse side in this.

[Mholito]

I lost all respect for Fordola after her rant when she was asked why she gave the order to fire the cannon. "It's not enough to simply do as you're told" would have been an ok explanation if it wasn't for the fact that pretty much everything she did (firing the cannon included) was just her doing exactly as Zenos told her.

[Reynhart]

They do things wrong too but the aggressor is Garlemald and thus the Eorzean alliance has no chance other than going to war.

Actually...it wasn't that simple...before Stormblood.


Back in 1.0 and up to 2.0, our main antagonist was Gaius (With crazy Nael from 1.18 to 1.23). He claimed that he launched the conquest on Eorzea to save the World, and, in a twisted sense, he was right. Summoning primals or other deities actually hurt the planet. So, Garlemald destroyed Ala Mhigo...but stopped there, probably because the rest of Eorzea wasn't so keen on calling their gods. IIRC, Ala Mhigo was already in a turmoil under the reign on Theodoric, and maybe they thought to do the same as Ilberd in 3.55 back then.

On top of that, Gaius has proven that he didn't care at all about your origins, as long as you're competent and loyal. So, in fact, the whole "Garlemald treats Mhigans like shit" is basically a retcon. Maybe now that Zenos is in charge, but, when you hear the young mhigans, they claimed it was like that for the past 25 years...
And because of that, they wasted a perfectly good plot. It would have been awesome to confront the old generation that lost friends and home in the war with the new one, who is accepted into Garlemald because they grown into a Garlean "colony" under the rule of Gaius.

The fact that both generation feels oppressed makes Garlmeald just a bunch of cliché villains doing cliché villainous things, to the point of absurdity...why the hell are the young mhigans attacking us ? If we lose, they'll continue with their lives, and if we win...well, they'll continue with their lives, but under the rule of Lyse, who want nothing but peace.

So yeah, Yoshi-P kept his promise...I have no sympathy for Garleans this expansion...because they're dumb.

[NyxNox]

I mean, heck, there's a Garlean soldier who is killed by Alisae for striking the Warrior of Light when ambushed. We see through the Echo that same soldier happened to be the one who gave Yotsuyu a chance at a decent education and rescued her from a highly abusive family. Clearly he wasn't a bad guy at all and yet he was cut down as easily as Meffrid was.

what!? from what i got about that flasback with the soldier and Yotsuyu is that she was sold to him as hes new wife and his the husband who she talked about and hated and don't forget she was forced to work in a brothel as well.

[Daralii]

Actually...it wasn't that simple...before Stormblood.


Back in 1.0 and up to 2.0, our main antagonist was Gaius (With crazy Nael from 1.18 to 1.23). He claimed that he launched the conquest on Eorzea to save the World, and, in a twisted sense, he was right. Summoning primals or other deities actually hurt the planet. So, Garlemald destroyed Ala Mhigo...but stopped there, probably because the rest of Eorzea wasn't so keen on calling their gods. IIRC, Ala Mhigo was already in a turmoil under the reign on Theodoric, and maybe they thought to do the same as Ilberd in 3.55 back then.

On top of that, Gaius has proven that he didn't care at all about your origins, as long as you're competent and loyal. So, in fact, the whole "Garlemald treats Mhigans like shit" is basically a retcon. Maybe now that Zenos is in charge, but, when you hear the young mhigans, they claimed it was like that for the past 25 years...
And because of that, they wasted a perfectly good plot. It would have been awesome to confront the old generation that lost friends and home in the war with the new one, who is accepted into Garlemald because they grown into a Garlean "colony" under the rule of Gaius.

The fact that both generation feels oppressed makes Garlmeald just a bunch of cliché villains doing cliché villainous things, to the point of absurdity...why the hell are the young mhigans attacking us ? If we lose, they'll continue with their lives, and if we win...well, they'll continue with their lives, but under the rule of Lyse, who want nothing but peace.

So yeah, Yoshi-P kept his promise...I have no sympathy for Garleans this expansion...because they're dumb.

Gaius wasn't omniscient. No matter what his orders were, there were always going to be imperial soldiers that would treat the Abanians like trash, just like every single occupying force in real life has done. Gaius probably would have treated the majority like dirt anyway just because of how many gave up.

[Braneric]

I think despite Gaius' best efforts there is a strong racial superiority complex within the Garlean people that almost certainly interferes with any efforts to integrate the Ala Mhigans into the Empire.